If I had a better camera you could see the graining on the klaas. Plus there is no wear on the hilt of it from the snap.

The bag one is made by 7/13. The other none bagged one is made by 7/13. That is the one with the two color button. That one I want to move. I tried to be a member but I have to pay with paypal and I hate paypal. The other is a henckels with motto. I have a early puma with motto coming my way. I have to finish off the payment. Ill probably send the last payment next week.