I am saying that IMO both the SA and SS daggers were made with both the large trademark as pictured above and the much smaller "small double oval" trademarks we are more used to.

I believe (no proof) that the large ones are the first ones and they are not that common.

To answer another question: The earlier large SA/SS dagger is found with and without the Rohm dedication. The small trademark is found only on Rohm dedication SA/SS and SS Himmler daggers.

Dave