Gary, hi yes 100% my point is that a herder tag would be rare no matter the source bit is it accurate? Unknown and some of what happens is tags from this type of thing can be confused or mis read as a tag from a dagger. I suspect alot of what is encountered is from things such as these. I'm not casting doubt on anyone but somewhat of a dis-service to is as collectors. My old website was aiming at this time of mis identified tags. Not enough is known and if collectors are randomly adding tags incorrectly then the problem is that. Again not casting doubt on anyone but fact is it looks to me as if that's what is going on at times not all. The time but at times. I'm on a slippery slope here poised to make a small issue a big one. No my intention.