JR, I have to agree because of the evidence shown, So far the evidence leans heavily on Antonio side imo..It really does look like these HR rings were NOT struck or pressed. Casted and hand finished, Thanks to all for the discussion and to Antonio. I wont say what type of ring, but I wish I can get my hands on it because it looks like the same or very close to same type of process as the HR. I have noticed it for many years. Best!