we that have been in the hobby for some time often refer to items as we are originally used to..Krikke/Kris I dont know you I have collected since 1982 and remember talking to Tom Johnson about district stamps when the collecting community still accepted that cross guards could be stamped 1 to 9 I always thought that was wrong I used to buy RZM 120/14s for $800 back in 1994 because many considered them to be fake and NO one wanted RZM pieces little was known...I don't know everything..I am continually impressed when I meet up with Paul Hogle and he shares his wealth of knowledge but be rest assured "my friend" that I have done my "homework" cheers and respect, Ryan