Thanks so much guys, that answers a few of my questions.

Byzanti, I cannot find a crown or any markings on the flap of the pebble grained one. There are no magazines or tools, but a few cleaning patches and a piece of paper with a name in the very bottom.

Andy, there is a magazine in the compartment for the East German one, but I do not have the pistol. I think I know what you mean about the ammo, as in Europe that make a different 9mm now that is not "military grade". Ithink it;s 9mm X 18 instead of 9mm X 19?

Chief


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