Interesting...John you may be on to something I have basically a DNS error coming from the search engine when I just went to waf...my thought is if you're getting the same error message there must be some website maintenance issues going on there...I'm just going to sit tight and let it resolve itself...of course, getting some downtime unplugged from the forums may not be the worst thing...gonna take the kids out for ice cream and go walk the park with the old lady...