there are probably 50 rings out there that want to be HGs. Unfortunately 99.9% of them are fake..

I can tell you one thing for 100% sure. Zeitner never had a cast in mark! The one ring in that topic no matter what the provenance is a fake. The first ring I really can't see the hallmark but the front resembles the one made many years ago. The dealer used to sell wax impressions of it!