Thanks everyone, I think you are all correct and that they are most likely bad. Gaspare, they both passed the Black light test, I am going to do a burn test on the threads, but it was my gut feelings they where bad, and you all have confirmed my fears. Good news came in a lot with a spiked helmet I wanted, so not out much. Most likely will bring them to SOS and sell as repo's if anyone wants them.

thanks

James