John and Danny,
Thanks for sharing your great daggers. The Lufts are gorgeous and very hard to tell which came first, Danny that looks to be a nice pair of armies, can we see the crossguards if possible. This maker mark is the one normally found on plain bladed examples. I am interested to know if either piece has Generic fittings. My guess is the lower one without the personalisation is Generic type "B" / Wingen ?.

Possibly the first as well but hard to tell without a shot of the scabbard.