Quite the saga...in the end I would have to accept Don's opinion and fee....certifications are like appraisals...an art dealer does not refund their fee if a painting is found to be a copy...you are paying for their expertise, good or bad.....sure the ring market has taken a nose dive...just as the Rohm dagger market is now doing....I would like my name and comments removed from that website. I never gave permission to be quoted publically...my posts and opinions are on GDC for everyone to see....regards, Ryan