Gentleman
I want to thank you for all the inputs.
Guess we have a lot more to learn and probably will never always be able to say without a shadow of a doubt one way or the other.
Myself having a Engineering background am used to dealing with hard known "FACTS" and this approach may not be possible in dagger collecting.
I have received the pictures of the 1st model chained that goes with the skull links I posted in error, I will post pictures these for your inputs.
Thanks again
" trying to collect "
michael