Thanks for confirming what I thought. I only have 85.00 in the pair so they not costing me anything. I know the condition is not so great but i am more of a history type collector then a condition guy. I enjoy owning the pieces but I know I can always sell them for more then I have in them. Part of the fun for me is the hunt. The Navy dagger was mixed in with some true modern junk knives and swords at an auction and no one realized the knife was real so my 10.00 bid took it home.