well I bought an "investment grade" TK ring from a dealer for the price that it sold for back in 1995. I then added a $3000 ring box and 4 months later was forced to sell back to the dealer due to a personal situation. I lost $7000!!!!! (70%) so much for an investment...I know it was short term but no one should have to loose that badly on a highly desireable, collectible and investment grade item. I have collected German vigorously since 1982. I have sold off the last of my SS collection at a great loss and can now state that for the first time in 29 years I own no German items...cheers, Ryan