First i dont believe the grips are camp made, there is no evidence of this, mainly the cof pieces, same as the other WKC piece, have origin grips that should be for this time of producing not matched!
1. The grips have been replaced on these bayonets, The condition of the grips are excellent ++ to mint. The condition of these bayonets before rework (looking through a magnifying glass)consisted of rusted pitted blades that were heavily buff ground. Now, usually the blade is the most protected surface of a bayonet and these were rusted & pitted. No way that the grips that are on these bayonets were original to the piece.
You dont answered about the 9719 assembly number?
2. Number 9719 is stamped into the tang. What SS Rework Document do you have that says that the tang number should be on all of the bayonet components?? The majority of my SS bayonets do not come close to having such a matchup of numbers. I shall use the SS Death Head Lugers as a prime example of components not being matched. The objective was to produce Lugers that functioned from being assembled from scrapped lugers that were not acceptable to the Army.
the piece should be marked on other parts tang, flashguard, as the numbers important by renumbering by new finish by overall rework. When we assume hypoteticaly that the piece was reworked, so the finish was done, the parts were not numbered like lock nut and flashguard how You could made it together?
The acountability number has no reason to be under grips.
3. Why does the accountability number have no reason to be under the grip where you can not see it?? What SS documention do you cite to substantiate your statement. The SS did not always include the accountability number under the grips of bayonets. The SS 98/05 bayonets very seldom have an accountability number & or SS Property Stamps located there.
SS TV Bayonets may sometimes include the following information under the grips: 1. STANDARTE #
2. DATE
3. Accountability #
4. SS Property Mark
SS TV Bayonets may sometimes have the following information on the outside of the grips: 1. STANDARTE #
2. SS Property Mark
3. KL ID
There are alot of variations as to what markings are on the inside of the grips and a few as to what markings are on the outside of the grips and on certain bayonets and or models nothing at all on the grips. Andy, you are trying to say that SS bayonets must follow some strict rules as to what should be on the grips or else it is a fake. I take your statements as made being based upon lack of knowledge & experience with SS Bayonets.
WKC with 1941 dated grips is not to confirm as real of this piece because there is no number on grips.It could be grips from other piece, as they are because the WKC was made 1943.
4. Does the WKC with 1941 dated grips with no accountability number on the grips become a fake?? Did the bayonet even have an accountability #??
What did you use again for criteria to determine when the blade was made??
WKC provided blades & components to some of the SS work camps where the bayonets were assembled using slave labor. I have several pieces to show later that represents the extremely crude workmanship and quality produced. If you have SS documentation that states that WKC did not provide bayonet components to the Camps,please post it for us to see.
For me this have only one reason the dated grips are problematic, because there is always a DH or a SS runes but assembly or "acountability " numbers not always!! Why? Because link the piece with SS.
There are many WKC blankos reported to this time from various members to this time, no one have a similar marking, its not little suspicious for You?
5. How about all of the SS Collectors that have the SS Property Stamped Rifles, and bayonets in their collections. What does this mean to you?? The only thing that is suspicious are your shoot from the hip comments. Your direction and comments readily indicate that Andy from Czechlosvakia does not know what he is talking about when it comes to SS weapons. You make statements with no substantiation of SS Reference and or SS Bayonets. You make statements that it is suspicious that you and some of your collector friends have not seen any SS marked bayonets. SS Bayonets and rifles are rare. They are still out there and they are in collections.
I assume as a well known member of SS collecting community that are You already, You could be a target of SS fakers.Certainly You have there a very nice real pieces, but unfortunally some problematic too. Same as certainly some faked.
6. I do not agree with your statement that I have fake SS bayonets in my collection. You make value judgements based on no knowledge and or expertise of SS weapons. As you indicated before it is suspicious you and some of your collector friends have not seen any. This lack of knowledge of SS Property Marks, Locations, & variations is very evident in your statements. I have tried to show the relationships between the markings on the firearms and those of the bayonets.
RICHARD KUCHTA
