Thank you for your thoughts re the Räude badge, this was my thinking as well. The general quality & construction, plus the patina/grime which didn't look artificial. Hopefully some evidence will turn up eventually.

Another nice trio of badges there Bill, especially as you pointed out the Kamenz piece, gary really does have some great items.

The wappen on the piece on the right looks to be the same as for Styria in Austria. It's shown in the centre of a badge I posted earlier on this thread a couple of years ago, see about half way down the page here http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=230224&page=5

Cheers
Don

"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"

Galadriel, LotR.