My sole purpose in starting this thread was to bring the discussion of this dagger type out into an open forum where the opinions and ideas of informed individuals (including Fred) could be presented, read and judged by hobbyists. I was not naive - I know Fred Stephens is intelligent and can string together a good argument, and despite his continued assault on my personal character (he even called me a "loser") I maintain that this thread has served a purpose. There are those that turn their noses up at rigorous debate, and call it "distasteful" and such. However, most of the contributors to this thread - including Fred - believe otherwise. Everyone has put forth a valliant effort to make their case. My hope is that people will have the patience to read the entire thread and then form their own conclusions.
