thank s johnpic i do see what you are saying i think if you are looking at it like that.the ifs .if and when these old collections turn up you are playing the numbers game this can become very cloudy .how meany real ones are out there. and how grant says he remembers seeing at lest 40 black ones.were are they.as for what i payed first off it wasint cheap and thats in us dollers get on the exchange and see what the usa buys in nz.but i buy these because they have meaning to me when i can afford to.thats very clever of you to put that question back on me john Big Grin the question is would i sale it? i dont know if i would get that i did not buy it with that in mind and i think it needs to go to some one who loves it .kind regards judas