I,ll go one better than that.I just got off the phone with my buddy in Chicago and he informed me their is a guy in the orient mastering the case making of the Newman watch I mentioned earlier. My friend told me he is using his genuine as a REFERENCE piece. He has been buying the movements Rolex used in that watch and adding the proper #s along with Rolex on the movement. Also the guy has master dial (face) makers at his disposal. Basically he's saying he can do it all! Now that's scarry.