Cheers chaps, always nice to handle something different. It is well worn but I actually like it that way, at least it shows it's been there and seen a bit of use. I've asked someone to dig out what he can on Herr Siebel - I know he was a Golden party badge holder - but this ring will be going on the estand shortly as it's outside my sphere of collecting and I'll be well and truly broke if I keep everything !