Well seeing how this topic went south as it did ,is really disappointing. Fred Prinz, Mongo Bongo and many others who were not at the Seminars but here on the forum really missed the boat. I was their examining The Daggers Grant Bias owns and a loose blade that had seen better days. I also had the chance to see Craigs piece and it has a super Damascus blade with a gorgeous quality chain to boot! Houston is spot on about Fred and Craig, they must have sparred with each other for 20 minutes over that story with Jesper and never really addressed these daggers as others in the room thought they would. That's when a handful of us got up and walked.