And also with you Dave, and Fredrick. All the basic parts that I've mentioned conform to an SA Honor as they have been referenced over the years and we have come to know in this configuration. So is the theory that someone intentionally destroyed the integrity of one of these valuable daggers by adding the Huhnlein signature and chain, to an otherwise proper period dagger ? Just talking about the one NSKK High Leaders that C. Gottlieb started this thread about.