Another possiblity is that these painted black gripped armys were in fact 1st. Model bahnschulz and when the later 2nd model bahnschulz were introduced they used up the inventory of these grips on the later type klaas daggers by painting the grips and making them Army daggers, again this really doesn't get us anywere but when I investigate anything I play both sides to see what the results could be, but still this does not get us period proof Mad It goes on and on. Big Grin