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Some great information as always Peter, thank you for sharing it with us.

Don

Peter, thank you. Always glad to learn new things. Lots to see in your pictures.
It's difficult to be positive with black and white images but the base cloth of the armbands in the group picture appear to be the same color as the uniform. As opposed to the dark blue usually seen. (Image)

I see two rifles. They must be attending a shoot. Or practicing manual of arms.

--dj--Joe

Hello Joe. You are right. The armbands of the Reichskriegerbund with the federal badge is made of blue felt.

On August 19, 1934, the Reichskriegerführer decreed that the clubs of former hunters and marksmen wear their green hunter's armband with the Hubertus Cross with the Kyffhäuser uniform. At an event of the Reichskriegerbund the Kyffhäuser armband is to be worn above the hunter's armband, at an event of the Deutscher Jägerbund the hunter's armband is to be worn above the Kyffhäuser armband.

On May 2, 1936, the Reichskriegerführer ordered that the colonial warriors affiliated with the Reichskriegerbund wear the armband made of khaki cord-colored material instead of the blue armband.

The Reichskriegerbund introduced a field gray-green service coat to the uniform on May 10, 1936. As of January 31, 1937, the blue armband had to be exchanged for an armband made of felt or garbadine fabric in the color of the service coat.

In September 1940, the Beschaffungsstelle of the Reichskriegerbund informed its members that, as a result of increased armament requirements, felt cloth for the Bundesarmbinde was no longer available and blue armbands for members would no longer be supplied. Only members with service position stripes continue to receive armbands.

This may be of interest......

https://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/KHB.php

Peter, thank you for the information. Interesting. So many things to learn. I do not recall ever having seen a field gray-green armband in a collection.

Vern, I appreciate the gallery, and refer to it often. Hope others do as well.

--dj--Joe

Many of us hunters and collectors have never heard of and have never seen the Sieger-Plakette of the Reichskriegerbund. In all catalogs (including Hüsken and Niemann) this award is missing. It is also never offered by auction houses and dealers.

First of all a few pictures of this highest shooting award.

The following shooting awards (badges of honor) could be shot:
- The Bronze Badge of Honor with at least 120 rings, no shot below 2
- The Silver Badge of Honor with at least 135 rings, no shot under 3
- The Golden Badge of Honor with at least 150 rings, no shot under 4
- The Great Kyffhäuser Badge of Honor with at least 160 rings, no shot under 6

A winner's plaque with a certificate was awarded to the shooters who had fulfilled the conditions for the Golden Badge of Honor three years in a row after earning the Grand Badge of Honor.

A very interesting award Peter, thank you for showing it.

Are the Bronze, Silver, Gold & Great Kyffhäuser Badge of Honor shooting badges you mention the ones shown in these two posts? https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=247701#Post247701 & https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=247702#Post247702

Yes, its correct.
Typ 1 with colours black-white-red
Typ 2 with the swastikas left and right of the monument
Typ 3 with swastika under the monument

Peter, thank you. The Sieger-Plakette is a first for me. Nice looking award, bronze and marble. A substantial award.

Could I ask how long were the typ 2 badges of honor in existence? They seem to be a difficult collectible to find.

--dj--Joe

Thank you for the confirmation Peter. May I ask what did the Great Kyffhäuser Badge of Honor for the type 2 badges looked like?
Here are the links for the bronze, silver & gold https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=247820#Post247820 & https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=247821#Post247821

And these would be two of the 1st. typ. A bronze and gold.

--dj--Joe

Hallo Don. There is no Great Badge of Honor for Type 2. Only Bronze, Silber and Gold.

On February 21, 1937, the Reichskriegerbund informed its members about the introduction of a newly designed shooting honor pin (type 2).

The old marksmen's badge of honor was very similar to the anniversary badge for 25 and 50 years of membership. Since the sporting achievement badges, and the shooting Badge of Honor was one of them, could continue to be worn even if the person in favor ended his membership in the Reichskriegerbund, a badge had to be created that was completely different from the Federal Badge and the Jubilee Badge.

Another reason was that the desire was often expressed that the new badge should give a closer connection to the shooting sports. Therefore the new badges showed rifles and a target. Because of the general raw material situation, it was decided not to use enamel.

In June 1937, the federal management in Berlin announced that, due to a lack of material, delivery could not be expected before August 1937.

The design and appearance did not please the members at all. Therefore, at the beginning of October 1937, the federal leadership brought out a new revised shooting honor pin, the type 3 with swastika between the rifles.

Timeline
February 1937 introductions shooting honor pin type 2.
August 1937 Beginning of the issue of the badge of honor
October 1937 After only 7 months introduction of the new shooting pin of honor type 3

Peter,

Thank you. 7 months for the type 2. No wonder they are not common. A wonder they did not get gathered up and melted down.

--dj--Joe

Some absolutely fabulous information Peter! Thank you so much for sharing it with us. I have often wondered what the timeline was for these badges/pins.

Joe, I doubt that it was even 7 months. If they weren't ready to be issued until August & a new design announced in October.....

Peter, one more question if I may. Do you know what this pin would be for? It is the only example I have ever seen. The one shown in the Hüsken catalogues is the exact same example.

Thanks again for all of you help.

I think that I may have frightened Peter off with all my questions ......

Here is a recent addition that I have spent many years trying to find, the NSRKB (1938?) version of the Hochland cap badge. The earlier Kyffhäuser version is often found but the other is a pig to find...

Reverse is unmarked with just the two attaching prongs so I will only post it if required.

Don

Hi Don,

I have also been on the scout for an example of the NSRKB Hochland cap badge for my collection. I have seen a small few in rough condition.

--dj--Joe

Hello Don. I was on a research trip and could not take care of the forum.
I am really happy if I can answer your questions or help. So my request: ask, ask, ask. Anytime and always.

The cap badge shown in this thread is an additional cap badge. On march 18, 1936, the leader of Reichskriegerbund Reinhard regulated, that only members in "Gau Hochland" (county of bavaria) can wear an additional badge, the Edelweiss, in tradition to the Alpenkorps in WW1.

Ah Peter thank goodness, I thought that I had asked too many questions....

May I ask if you know what this pieces is that I posted here? https://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=359308#Post359308

I will pin this topic.

--dj--Joe

Don, I have noted badges marked, Meister Klasse 1 or 2 or 3. Have you ever seen any referring to 1 as A, 2 as B, etc. (?)

--dj--Joe

Or - after more thought I wonder if the A could be for adlerschiessen? Would shooting at a wooden eagle (adler) target be considered a class of shoot?

--dj--Joe

Possible I guess, I've never seen a reference to the Kriegerbund having such shoots as these are usually for hunters etc. but......




No I haven't, but I have seen on the Tyrol badges, Meister Klasse Armeegewehr.....

Armeegewehr sounds more applicable.

--dj--Joe

However, what worries me is, if it is for Armeegewehr, then there is likely to be one for KK, but to date this is the only example that I have ever seen. Just the one piece!!

Don

Not that it's an absolute but I notice most of the badges that have leaf borders appear to be oak leaves.
One of your Thuringen examples appears to have the laurel leaves like the Meister Kl. A. badge. As does the document for your Kriegs-Freiwlliger badge.
So - that leads nowhere.

--dj--Joe

Just bringing Don's question back to the top.
--dj--Joe