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"Only the early painted scabbards have solid nickel fittings with type I or type X chains."

And once again I have to disagree with this statement above. Here we have an early TYPE II, all nickel, painted scabbard, and vet purchased. When it came to the M36 Chain Dagger................ throw out the rule book.

He's Back!

Look at that burnishing!


Ok Here's my sled.

-serge-

OK...Now we can really get back into it.

Serge My Friend, you know that we can't let personal interpretation and theories be blatantly posted as absolute truths in this hobby. They can be opinions, and that's just fine. JR

Here is the info on the Type III (Type X), which I don't know if the thread is even active on this forum any more........... I wrote this up in an email topic several year back, and sent it out to collectors that has an interest on the subject. JR

The Type III chain varies only slightly at first glance from the Type II, but when examined closely, a collector is left with no doubt that this truly is in fact one variation that has been overlooked for all of these years. There is a slight variation in the connector links that join the "Wotans Knot" to the skull and runes links, but the most significant characteristics lie within the features of the links themselves. Not only do we see a thicker runes that nearly touch each other unlike the Type II links, but we now can see that the skull links vary dramatically from those seen on a Type II Chain. The skulls not only have their distinct and unique shape, but it is the first time that we see any chain variety that shows the septum in the nose of the skull. There is a slight variation in the center band of the chain as well, but is most noticeable when you have both the Type II and Type III in front of you during a magnified close examination. The Type III chain is seen associated with the earliest versions of the M36 daggers that we see with all nickel fittings, painted scabbards, PA fittings, etc that is very well outlined in Tom's book. With this new information coming out, the Type III M36 Chain Dagger is a very exciting discovery in the world of 3rd Reich Daggers ! http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/728099473/m/9880005114

Nothing absolute my friend JR.
But the worst thing in this hobby IMO is a closed mind.
I've seen many opinions over the years..Like SS chained Officer dagger etc. be dismissed a few years later.
The best IMO is to put it ALL out there and let the chips fall...hopefully where the evidence leads.
Because we are all still learning.

-serge-

Anyway................ just stopped by to say "hey guys". JR

Hi Skyline i have never seen a type 1 chain with all solid nickel fittings.Crossguards,scabbard throat yes with a painted scabbard this is the early type 1 36 dagger.

Thanks JR for your input, this is all new to me.
I never seen before an early all nickel fittings with an anodized scabbard.
Is this the only first example that you have ever seen
That's what I like about this hobby, there is always something new coming out.

Serge and JR, wonderful examples.

We must also keep an open mind about all this.
Reference books were written years ago and there are new evidence coming out all the time.
Of course, we can't possibly get access to every dagger that exist on this planet for a comparative study.
This is why it is so important that we all share new informations on this forum.

I have no problem conceding the point. However it is true that almost all SS chained examples with blued scabbards have plated fittings. If there are a few transitional pieces floating around it would be of no shock to anyone. And hixxy 1 of course you are right. I wrote "type I" when I meant "type II".

I have one that has all nickle fittings except for the Knot link that is steel. Unquestionably authentic with a type one chain on an annodised scabbard.

I have owned an early SS M36 with plated fittings and a painted scabbard. Direct vet purchase! It had a Bertram & Sohn stuck in the scabbard. SO JR is correct, all to many variations as the Germans surely used up any stock during a "model change" Why waste good parts??? These were VERY popular and in high demand by the SS.

What's this .............. JR on GD.com! Nice to have you back old timer!

I also have 1st type with painted scabbard, purchased from some well known collector from Colorado

These were not made for us collectors but for those who wore them. I agree one must keep an open mind when it comes to all TR artifacts.

Heah Pat,If I remember you bought that lovely Type 1 chained instead but I think you wanted them both !!!! Well Mr Nolan dont really regret the sale,I enjoyed it for several years! And there was always something else around the corner,,,,,,

Wow nice collection! Love the trumpet banner! Those are VERY VERY VERY Rare!

Woaaaaaaaaaaaah, what an incredible display.
I can only dream to ever have such a collection in my house.
Can I please stop by your place next time I'm in the UK.

WOW Hooper what a fantastic display and thanks for sharing it!

Very nice, I just showed that to my wife and she said one word.

NO

Hey does your wife know mine??????

My humble contributions to this thema. First one of my nice concitioned early Type II "with septum".

Detail.

And my late, nickled iron "normal" varation Type II.
Regards,

Stunning Chained SS daggers.
They do not get any better.

Very nice SS M36 daggers Wotan
Thanks for sharing pics of them .
Regards LH 600

Super nice example, most early M36 were worn and used, thus the typical ware and they are VERY hard to find in fine condition IMO. Love it!!!!