#95873
03/06/2006 08:11 PM
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#95874
03/06/2006 08:21 PM
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The 40 year in the middle and the 50 year cases are marked Deschler and only the 50 year cross is marked 1.
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#95875
03/06/2006 08:31 PM
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Raymond, Very nice collection! re: the 25 yr. cased ones, 2 of the swaz's seem to be the same thickness, one seems to be a little thicker and the one on the far right is the thickest! Variations between manufacturers? Regards, teufel
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#95876
03/06/2006 08:47 PM
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Thanks Teufel.I would say the difference in thickness is due to the different makers.
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#95877
03/06/2006 08:52 PM
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I also have a few documents.These two are 25 & 40 year from Oberpostschaffner Bernhard Wollschläger in Berlin.I have a few other documents from him too.
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#95878
03/06/2006 09:00 PM
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and these three (L-R) 25 year for Hauptlehrerin Therese Huetter in Fürth i.B, 25 year for Postagenten Jakob Luhr in Iversheim, 40 year for Justizoberwachtmeister Alfred Fuhrmann in Dresden.Still need a 50 year document.
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#95879
03/06/2006 09:24 PM
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Raymond, Outstanding! I'm impressed! Seems like you specialize in this area! teufel
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#95880
03/06/2006 11:41 PM
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Specialize...no.That's my bigest problem.I like all organizations and their regalia.
I measured the thickness of the arms of the swastikas at the 12 o'clock posisition,just below the top arm:
Keller- 3.12mm (black portion only 2.15mm)
Karneth-2.96mm (black portion only 2.30mm)
Wächtler3.19mm (black portion only 1.96mm)
Deumer- 3.15mm (black portion only 2.38mm)
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#95881
03/07/2006 12:06 AM
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I forgot to say how great everyones crosses looked.These are very under appreciated.Check the rings on your 50 year crosses for a maker mark.At first I thought mine were unmarked but found both are marked #1.I have a feeling that Deschler was the only ,or principal maker.
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#95882
03/07/2006 08:14 AM
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Very nice collection Raymond! Nice to see some variations in the crosses by different makers. It's good to show these together in one place so we can all see the differences - hopefully we'll see some more crosses from other members too.
Regards
Russell
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#95883
03/07/2006 10:57 PM
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Excellent informative thread. Great effort all! Raymond, what is attached to the inside upper lid on the unmarked 40 yr. case? None of my medals are marked in any way. Nice to see a marked example.  Don't forget the 16mm. miniatures. --dj--Joe
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#95885
03/09/2006 04:14 PM
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Joe,in the 40 year case,it's a stickpin. Probably put there by the original owner.
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#95886
04/03/2006 05:33 PM
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Here are two of my cased Crosses, a 25 year and 40 year.
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#95887
04/03/2006 05:35 PM
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Here is my loner(w/o case) 25 year F.S. Cross, I found in my friends basement of all places.
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#95888
11/12/2006 02:32 AM
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I've just picked up this cased 50 to complete my set.
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#95889
11/12/2006 02:35 AM
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The case has no maker mark.
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#95890
11/12/2006 02:38 AM
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Condition of the reverse is better than the obverse.
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#95891
11/12/2006 02:40 AM
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There is no maker number on the ring.
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#95892
11/12/2006 02:44 AM
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#95893
11/12/2006 02:50 AM
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11/12/2006 03:14 AM
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#95895
11/12/2006 03:16 AM
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11/12/2006 03:17 AM
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#95897
11/12/2006 03:28 AM
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Last one. I've done quite a bit of searching and comparing of these on the forums to make sure I have a correct one - hopefully, I've got it right!
Thanks for looking.
Regards
Russell
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#95898
11/12/2006 01:48 PM
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Russel,great looking cross.It has a nice patina to the front.
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#95899
11/13/2006 09:01 AM
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Thanks very much Raymond. I want to try and find some of the award documents to go with these crosses as well - have you had any luck finding the document for the 50?
I hope we will get some more posters on this thread showing their 25, 40 and 50 year crosses and cases. It would be great to see some more variations and makers.
Regards
Russell
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#95900
11/14/2006 12:55 AM
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No luck yet.I'm sure I'll find one some day while I'm looking for something else to add to my collection.
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#95901
11/26/2006 10:57 AM
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Don and Raymonds cased 50's look in great condition. My one and many of the others I have seen generally have finishes that don't seem to stand up to the test of time. The gilting seems to hold up but the silver gains patina, often only on one side. Could this be put down to later production and poorer material to work with - it seems the 25's and 40's are often found in good condition, particularly when cased as well. Any thoughts on this?
Regards
Russell
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#95902
11/26/2006 07:40 PM
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It's possible that the crosses tone differently because of the material they are made of(early vs. late production),enviornment they are stored in or a combination of both. To me they all look to be made from the same material but I haven't studied them that close.
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#95903
11/06/2007 01:18 AM
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Picked up a few more of the 25's since the last post. First is a C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim.
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#95904
11/06/2007 01:19 AM
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#95905
11/06/2007 01:20 AM
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Next has no maker in the case.
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#95906
11/06/2007 01:21 AM
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#95907
11/06/2007 01:23 AM
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Here's the first of two Friedrich Keller, Metallschmuckfabrik, Oberstein.
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#95908
11/06/2007 01:24 AM
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#95909
11/06/2007 01:25 AM
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#95910
11/06/2007 01:26 AM
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Last one - Keller reverse.
Still looking for other makers - if you've got some, please show them.
Regards
Russell
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#95911
11/06/2007 02:13 AM
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Great crosses guys. My only piece, a cased Deschler & Sohn 40 Year piece. Apologies for the goldish hue.
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#95912
11/06/2007 02:25 AM
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I do love service faithful service crosses but usually with a Feuerwehr or Polizei connection
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