#94755
07/19/2007 07:44 PM
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Lets see how far this thread can go, forestry hirschfängers with Eagle and swastika hilts are tough to find, real ones are anyway, there are a number of Atwood Höller fakes out there that I'm sure are in a lot of old time collections, they pop up every now and again. Lets see some real ones. I'll start with a nice Hörster marked piece.
Gary
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#94756
07/19/2007 07:44 PM
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#94757
07/19/2007 07:45 PM
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#94758
07/19/2007 07:46 PM
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I know there are guys on this forum who have examples so cmon lets see them.
Gary
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#94759
07/19/2007 08:06 PM
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Baz69, just for my personal interest, what material is the hilt? Could you - please - show a detailed pic of the eagle?.
Interesting piece, never have seen such scabbard fittings on a period forest dagger. Could you also show pics how these scabbard fittings are fixed?
Thank you in advance,
regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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#94760
07/19/2007 08:25 PM
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Hi Wotan
The hilt is lightweight, not sure what it is made from but the gilt has held up extremely well which is unusual as most show some loss on these leightweight fittings. The scabard fittings are held on in the usual manner with staples on the rear, interesting to note the lack of numbers under the staples, I presume that they did not make many of these and were not nesessary to mark them such. The Eagle and Swastika as with a majority of these types is very crude.
Gary
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#94761
07/19/2007 08:26 PM
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07/19/2007 08:26 PM
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#94763
07/19/2007 08:27 PM
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Reverse upper mount, both upper and lower mounts are steel based.
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#94764
07/20/2007 12:03 AM
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Textbook piece Gary ( My textbook that is  ) I have an identical one. Here is another-the Clemen & Jung--IMO the highest quality piece of this type in both materials and workmanship.
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#94765
07/20/2007 12:04 AM
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#94766
07/20/2007 01:17 PM
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My C & J Subordinate
(Courtesy of EBAY in '98)
Lou Bell
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#94767
07/20/2007 01:22 PM
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The Boss:
(Courtesy of somebody named Coates)
Lou Bell
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#94768
07/20/2007 03:30 PM
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Beautiful dagers guys, here's my C&J, just picked it up.
Gary
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#94769
07/20/2007 03:33 PM
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Lou, are yours with the metal scabbards or leather?, also what is the length of the blades and overall.
Houston, What fittings are on the tiger, is that a Hörster clam I can see there?,brass or lightweight, has it the narrow blade with the vertical running etch?, can we see the etch panels please. Lovely examples guys.
Gary
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#94770
07/20/2007 03:35 PM
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Gary,
The Subordinate is metal...10 3/4 " blade....Leader is leather....13 1/2" blade...
Man you sure got nice stuff......
Regards...
Lou Bell
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#94771
07/20/2007 04:11 PM
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Thanks Lou,
I don't have a monopoly on nice stuff, your two pieces are not to be sniffed at and are lovely examples, I cannot believe the price of this type Hirschfänger, especially the C&J pieces, I think they must have jumped a few thousand in the last two years.
cheers
Gary
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#94772
07/20/2007 08:19 PM
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Gents, Great hardware!  Best regards! Bill
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#94773
07/21/2007 12:09 AM
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The TIGER has an exclusive etch--a double TM and an aluminum hilt. Sometimes these are unmarked.
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#94774
07/21/2007 12:10 AM
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07/21/2007 12:10 AM
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07/21/2007 12:11 AM
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#94777
07/21/2007 12:11 AM
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MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#94778
07/21/2007 12:12 AM
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#94779
07/21/2007 12:13 AM
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07/21/2007 12:13 AM
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#94781
07/21/2007 12:22 AM
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An interesting thing about these--On at least one German site they are listed as being for the Heer Forester. Maybe so-maybe not--I don't know the basis for this. Perhaps a guess.
OK--I might as well state here that there were Heer Foresters, Luftwaffe Foresters, National Service Foresters and Private Lands Foresters. The Luft and Heer personnel were in charge of the lands owned by those units--Airfields, Bases, Training areas, etc. Most collectors don't know this.
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#94782
07/21/2007 12:08 PM
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Lou Bell
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#94783
08/04/2007 02:48 PM
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Lou, can you E-Mail me please, having a bit of trouble mailing you.
theundergardener@aol.com
Gary
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#94784
08/04/2007 09:38 PM
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Gary,
Mail on the way... I think I fixed the problem....
Lou Bell
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#94785
04/20/2008 12:40 PM
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Here's one I picked up at the SOS show.
Gary
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#94786
04/20/2008 12:41 PM
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04/20/2008 12:42 PM
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04/20/2008 12:43 PM
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04/20/2008 12:44 PM
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04/20/2008 12:46 PM
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04/22/2008 08:51 PM
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Here's a nice C&J that came in today from Germany.It's about as complete as you'll find them.
Gary
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04/22/2008 08:52 PM
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04/22/2008 08:53 PM
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04/22/2008 08:54 PM
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