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12/10/2009 01:43 PM
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Hi All: I have been successful identifying another SS Röhm that has been published. Several numbered SS daggers are illustrated in Volume V of Tom Johnson's Collecting the Edged Weapons of the Third Reich. Enjoy! Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.comwww.HistoricGraphics.com
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#9361
12/10/2009 01:46 PM
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SS Dagger bearing the SS No. 121 903 is a ground Röhm Eickhorn illustrated on p.19 in Volume V. The number is not found in the SS_Dienstalterslistes. Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.comwww.HistoricGraphics.com
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#9362
12/10/2009 01:51 PM
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With some luck, I found SS Mann No. 121 903 to be SS-Rottenführer Kurt Bötel. Fortunately, this document also included his birthdate, the primary number used for tracking records of German military personnel. Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.comww.HistoricGraphics.com
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#9363
12/10/2009 01:58 PM
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Unfortunately, neither his personnel service records or a Race & Settlement file exist for him in the National Archives. However, he did join the NSDAP and his membership file card was recorded though his photo was no longer attached. Congrats to the current owner! I believe that those numbered daggers with a provenance of being published as unidentified in major works and later identified will command an additional premium. And one more thing of interest, I identified a SS dagger for a collector this week where I actually found a photo of the SS Mann wearing it! This is only the second time I have had this happen out of almost 150 NCO/enlisted SS daggers I have identified. And this one was the best photo yet! Some guys have all the luck.... Enjoy! Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.comwww.HistoricGraphics.com
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#9364
12/10/2009 04:14 PM
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Your Hobby/area of interest provides an invaluable service to the hobby and to its members...you are to be commended....cheers, Ryan
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#9365
12/11/2009 12:41 AM
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Very impressive Ross  Im still searching after SS number 137003 and 70093  Regards LH
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#9366
01/26/2010 01:25 AM
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Good show Ross. I look forward to the research results on my little friend.
Regards, Jeff
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#9367
01/28/2010 03:00 AM
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Thanks Ross (!)
Your Research into these previously "Unidentifiable" SS #'s is adding a New & Significant Dimension to our Hobby!
Thanks for all of your hard work - & - those long hours at the Nat. Archives. ...Best, Dave/dblmed
[Always looking for TeNo � Schuma � Technische Noodhulp Items...]
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#9368
01/28/2010 07:49 PM
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When I developed my SS Officer's Research Service over 25 years ago, I had hoped that some day we would be able to research ALL SS numbers at some point in the future.
Now Ross has managed to add more available numbers past the Dienstaltersliste that I used in the beginning. All to the better for the hobby and collector.
Ron Weinand
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#9369
01/28/2010 09:45 PM
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Thank you all for your compliments. It's a nice encouragement for the long hours and many miles I spend on this project. You might be interested in my recent update of some of the SS daggers & other artifacts that I have recently identified: http://www.ssdaggers.com/more_successesHope to see you all at the SOS! Regards, Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.comwww.HistoricGraphics.com
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#9370
02/02/2010 01:29 AM
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Ross,
I went to your link showing "successes" in matching names to ss numbers and see a brown grip dagger with gau stamp on the crossguard. It had the number 25510 stamped into the wood. Is this considered an ss man's number who was also a SA member and had his number on his SA dagger? The reason I ask is that I have as SA dagger with the number 22623 stamped on the crossguard and on the scabbard fitting. It did not occur to me that it might be a ss number.
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#9371
02/02/2010 08:00 PM
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Hi RHans: It is a Roman numeral III on the lower cross guard and not a Gau marking. This is a SS dagger numbered on the wooden handle which is uncommon. I just didn't show the rest of it. The number on your SA dagger would not be a SS number. Some say these are the SA Mann's individual membership number. Ralf Siegert's new book documents an example where is it a "number that was assigned to it at the moment of its distribution." And thanks for stopping by and having a look. I just posted another one with SS No. 135 130 that belongs to a collector that contacted me about a year ago. It took awhile, but I finally found his SS Mann. Regards, Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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#9372
02/03/2010 01:47 AM
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I can see clearly now with your large photo. Thank you for the explanation. Keep up the great work.
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