UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SS Dagger Forum WWII GERMAN DAGGER

Currently available on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3300...eName=ADME:B:EF:US:2

I believe this to be a fake. The makers mark is the wrong way around. The eagle & the SS rune doesn't look right and neither does the grip. The RZM mark also has the closed circle which is seen to be dubious.

Is it just me? What is everyone else's thoughts?

In the Seller's description, it says:

"UP FOR AUCTION IS AN AUTHENTIC WWII GERMAN DAGGER. IT IS DATED 1934. VERY GOOD CONDITION. COMES WITH A DEALER LETTER OF AUTHENTICITY. SERIOUS INQUIRIES, PLEASE, FOR EXTRA PICS AND FURTHUR INFO. "

How is it deemed to be dated 1934? There isn't district stamp, although that may not be uncommon.

I wonder who the Dealer is that provided a letter of authenticity?

Additional photos provided by the Seller:

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I agree with you about it being fake.
121/34 indicates 1934 to me though.

Cheers,

I agree too , this is a fake.

Fake

I would like to hear the explanation from you guys as to why you think this dagger is fake.

Thanks,
Dave

Hi Dave it looks as if the RZM code is the wrong way round,nats

Me too.
Although I suspect I already know the stock answers that will be trotted out.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

Nats,Not the same pic.YOU have it wrong way round!
Seiler (Yank in UK)

My guess is that's a shill bid driving the price up on eBay.

Hi Seiler is this the right way!, nats

Dont get you.
The dagger in question posted Aug 10 by sdp,shows a blade with its marks reading from the tip back.
Your post shows a blade (JR) reading from grip to tip.
What are you trying to say???
Seiler (Yank in UK)

Hi Seiler,the Dagger I posted is the way the RZM should read ,if ts not a fake.!nats

Both the 120/34 and the 121/34 should read towards the tip like the one than Stan has posted. I also believe the first dagger shown is probably a fake, but a pretty good one. This subject comes up now and again. The daggers that read towards the grip usually have relatively undamaged grips made out of softer wood than the originals. They also usually have the bright silver rune button that I think is fake. Most (but not all) original rune buttons tone to a yellow gold color. Anyone who has handled SS daggers knows what I mean. One more thing... original 121/34's and 120/34's came with blued scabbards.

Thanks guys.

I agree that the blade shown at the start of this thread is a reproduction. The reason is as stated above: That the 121/34 (as well as the 120/34) should be read with the point of the dagger down. Whoever made that blade got the mark upside down. As for the rest of the dagger, I'd like to see it in person.

Dave

PS - Sometimes people will say the circle RZM mark without a break under the M is a sign of a reproduction. This is not correct, although the repros use that too.

Dave... the closed circle under the M is questionable though... right?

I don't think it is questionable, but you should be aware that it is used sometimes on repros like in the top photo.

Dave

120/34's have a floating M inside the RZM concentric circles. Interestingly, all 188/35 and 188/36 blades have this same configuration except they correctly read towards the grip.

On the 121/34's the M does not float and the legs of the M touch the circle at the bottom.

I believe the only early RZM pieces where both circles are broken is the 807/36.

Hi guys , isnt this exactly the same dagger that I have ? Or am I wrong ?
Regards , Rob.

Rob... sorting back through old posts it looks like you have a similar dagger, but not the exact same dagger as that shown above.

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/728099473/m/9850073524/p/1


Yours has a small crack in the grip above the rune button. The one shown above does not. However, your dagger and the one above share similar characteristics.

Hi Sky , I didnt mean that it was my dagger , I thought it was the same type.
Regards ,Rob.

Unfortunately some poor soul now has to pay $1825.00 for this...