#91869
07/22/2008 06:25 PM
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Just when you think you've seen everything, this hobby can bite you in the ass. This piece is just in from Germany, I bought it directly from the grandson of the original owner, his name was Paul Frielingsdorf, a Berufsjäger and Revier Forster who passed away in 1942. I'm hoping to get a picture of Herr Frielingsdorf in the near future and a few more details of his life.
Cheers
Gary
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#91870
07/22/2008 06:26 PM
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Berufsjäger(Proffesional hunter)as we know there was some dual membership within the hunting and forestry associations.
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#91871
07/22/2008 06:30 PM
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Very detailed lower scabbard mount, count the antlers and remember when you next look at an etched maker marked piece.There should be 10 points.
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#91872
07/22/2008 06:31 PM
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Auerhahn clamshell, notice the smooth background a sure sign of an original piece.
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#91873
07/22/2008 06:34 PM
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#91874
07/22/2008 06:35 PM
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#91875
07/22/2008 06:43 PM
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Now I hear you say, it looks like any other Eickhorn 1711, nah. I should explain that this pattern has only been found with the stamped 35/41 mark before, this piece just pushes it back a few months in time in my opinion, I personally think this piece could have been made in late 1934.
Gary
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#91876
07/22/2008 07:02 PM
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Here's a comparison of the marks now known on 1711's.
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#91877
07/22/2008 07:27 PM
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Gary, That's a pair of aces, fer schur dude! Best, W~
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#91878
07/22/2008 09:30 PM
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Nice--First one I have seen with the early TM. Also interesting that both of those have the green felt buffer rather than the olive color. The ten point thing on the lower fitting though--IMO not important on later pieces as I believe the mold wore down resulting in a less defined depiction and only 9 points sometimes appear. Sometimes also -just a hint of the 10th point can be seen. Also -sometimes some of the outline on the little shield under the stag depiction is lost. IMO-no problem here relative to originality. Does that early piece have the Ges. Gesch on the clam and the C.E. on the tang? Oh--and now let's see a deluxe Forester with the early TM
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#91879
07/22/2008 09:51 PM
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A winner Gary.With the early mark it's even better.
You know you're over the hill when "Happy Hour" means Nap Time
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#91880
07/23/2008 03:44 PM
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Time for a bigger house Gary!!! Superb Paul
FUR EHR' UND PFLICHT BIS HERZ UND KLINGE BRICHT
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#91881
07/23/2008 03:53 PM
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The tang is marked with a raised C.E., there is no Ges Gesch under the clam I can see. The real difference in this early piece compered to the other piece I have is within the pommel nut, this new piece is very rounded compered to the more squat more pointed nut on the later version. The leather on the scabbard is a little different in texture but basically the same colour, all of the fittings bar the pommel nut are similar as is the grip emblem, the usual large DJ badge seen on early Eickhorns.
Cheers
Gary
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#91882
07/23/2008 04:17 PM
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A close up of the grips and badges, early piece to the left.
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#91883
07/23/2008 04:19 PM
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Obverse blade etches, notice the lighter background grey(top)to the earlier piece.
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#91884
07/23/2008 04:22 PM
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The clamshells, earlier piece to the left.
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#91885
07/23/2008 04:25 PM
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Here's the early maker marked piece compered to an early long Eickhorn DJ hirschfänger, the marks are exactly the same in size and shape.
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#91886
07/23/2008 04:26 PM
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And finally here is a picture of 3 of the Eickhorn hunters I have.Check out the grip differences, the variety is endless.
Cheers and thanks for the nice comments.
Gary
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#91887
07/23/2008 04:30 PM
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I'm with Houston, I can't wait to see an early deluxe forestry or a late short deluxe Eickhorn DJ (1711) with the post 1941 mark.
Cheers
Gary
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#91888
07/24/2008 07:14 AM
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What a wonderful piece Gary. The detail is fantastic. Like the super early larger grip insignia. It looks like it's copper? -Congrats!- -serge-
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#91889
07/24/2008 04:17 PM
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Hi Serge Thats exactly what they were made of, it did have a silver coating at one time but if they were handled a lot the silvering tended to wear out, with the detailing on the badge I should think it was thinly applied in the first place.
Cheers
Gary
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#91890
07/25/2008 02:30 AM
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#91891
07/25/2008 01:03 PM
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Great looking pieces Gary. Keep up the good hunting and keep showing. Where else but the forum are you going to continually see great daggers like these. James
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#91892
07/25/2008 07:16 PM
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Gary, Magnificent! That's enough to bring a guy out of retirement knowing pieces like this are still out there for the finding!
"Endeavor to Persevere"
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#91893
07/26/2008 02:23 PM
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Gary!!! Gary!!! Gary!!! ;
Lou Bell
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#91894
07/27/2008 04:11 PM
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Awesome!!!! I sold one about a year ago and have had sellers remorse ever since!! I'm happy for you. Paul
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#91895
07/30/2008 04:40 PM
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I have owned 5 of these now and all of them were not distributor marked, a vast majority of the deluxe Forestry pieces I have seen have been Cottbus marked, I wonder if this is just co-incidence or perhaps Cottbus didn't have a great call for these. Paul Can you remember if your one was Cottbus marked or not??, any others out there??.
Gary
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#91896
07/30/2008 05:22 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Baz69: I have owned 5 of these now and all of them were not distributor marked, a vast majority of the deluxe Forestry pieces I have seen have been Cottbus marked, I wonder if this is just co-incidence or perhaps Cottbus didn't have a great call for these. Paul Can you remember if your one was Cottbus marked or not??, any others out there??.
Gary
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#91897
07/30/2008 05:23 PM
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I have never seen one that was. Perhaps they were only sold at Eickhorn stores.
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#91898
07/30/2008 05:37 PM
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Houston Hmm. Interesting, I wonder why Cottbus didn't sell these. I find it strange with them being Eickhorns main distributor or at least the only one who had their mark on the blades. They sold plenty of their deluxe forestry pieces.
Gary
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Gary, Looking through your post, I have a 1711. Exactly like the later one of yours. It has the sitting squirrel and a silver colored Hunting badge on the grip. The top of the blade is marked with "W. Michovius Cottbus". I recently bought several daggers from a friend and gun store owner. He collected the daggers over a 30+ years. Frank
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Hi Frank
Interesting that you have one Cottbus marked, can you post some pictures or send them to me and I'll post them.
Gary
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Posting for Frank.
First one of these I have ever seen with the Cottbus distributor mark, i really never thought I'd see one.
Gary
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Again a good example for never saying "never" in this hobby. Thank you, colt, for showing and Baz69 for your care and help in posting.
I do have a period MICHOVIUS list with a lot of hunting daggers. This model is not mentioned in the list and for sure is rare as we know now.
Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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My Name is Bob and I am a "RACE O HOLIC" AND "THE OLDER I GET THE FASTER I WAS"
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Gary,
There's a lot of education in this thread, as well as a nice lineup of rare blades. Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks for posting these beauties Gary! High grade quality stuff!
Ger
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