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Is there a need? Would anyone help? I will be happy to email my list of makers in my possession that actually exist and are not speculative to anyone who will provide me there email address. The program is in word and guaranteed virus free. RZM m/7 13 vs a Herder and Engles. Hammesfahr vs Herberts and Meyer, SMF vs Herman Hann, Altenbach vs AM Bronn-who is the winner? Anyone interested? We could at least maybe come up with a list of real in hand makers. I know listings are out there but just because someone was assigned and RZM number doesn't mean anyone has ever found an HJ made by the firm. Something to do on the cold nights of winter? let me know Russ

Russ,

I got your list last year and I can tell the other members, that it has been very useful, thanks a lot.

But I am interested in an update, since you have been adding interesting stuff to your collection lately

Two knifes that I have, I did not find on your list (yet):
- RZM m7/83! (Richard Pluemacher)
- RZM with motto m7/5 (Carl Julius Krebs)

Greetings,

Herman

Russ - would like to get your listing - Mike Martinez at [email protected]

RussN,
One for me, please.

And for me, please, too....

Hello Russ,
As I own a few HJ Fahrtenmesser, I would be very interested in your list. A little research is always fun.
Greetings,
Jerry

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Yes Russ if you have time send me a list.
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Russ,
I also would appreciate a copy of your list.
[email protected]
Thanks
Bill

Count me in, I'm very interested in having a copy. Thank you

I'd like one too.

Please add me to the list thanks Geoff.

I too would appreciate the list.
Thanks in advance!
Johnny

If its not to late I would like a list also.
Thanks,Shawn

Stats to date: 96 different makers makers broken down as follows:
83 early maker marks
12 RZM only makers ( do not have early maker marks for these makers)
1 unknown RZM Maker RZM M7/1+ (it is a plus)
PLUS 2 knives of makers I have been unable to authenticate but appear original in every respect.
List available to anyone who wants one. The attachment opens in Word and is virus free. Russ

Hi Russ can you send me a list please

thanks Sean

Russ, I recieved your list today and it is fantastic! Thank you very much. I do not know mjuch about HJ makers and this will prove to be my primary source of info...
Looks GREAT!
Thanks
Johnny

Hi Russ
count me in for a copy of your list!..

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thanks,Kursk

Russ,I'd like a copy of your list also.
Thanks,
Ray
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Can I have the list I have RZM 7/66 1942 with smooth tailed over the shoulder squirrel on blade
Tony

Could I have it please? Would be greatful...

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AJ the email keeps bouncing back. Please contact me directly with another email address. Russ

I would appreciate the list also to [email protected] . Thanks Ian

Russ, I would like one too when you get a chance. Much appreciated. William
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Russ,
I'd really appreciate a copy. Thanks

Russ, I would appreciate a copy too. Thank you. [email protected]

Russ : Please be so kind and send me a copy of your list also . Thanks . e-mail : [email protected]

Russ sorry only just saw your note try [email protected] or [email protected]
Wondered why I hadnt heard from you

Hi,Would love to see the list: [email protected]

Just a thought. Wouldn't it be easier to just post the list. That way anyone who's interested can use it and Russ doesn't have to send out a hundred e-mails

Thanks reds just never thought of it.

Russ Neighbors/Lance Neighbors 28 South Main Street Marion NC 28752
Fax 828/659-7877 [email protected]

HJs: 82 w/maker mark, 13 RZM only; total: 95 makers verified, 1 unidentified (M7/1+) & 2 questionable

Altenbach & Sohn, Peter Schwanenwerk �Garantie� diamond ring nM
Gerb. Bell Solingen Gr. GG, Motto, NR
Gerb. Bell NR, nM
F. W. Backhaus Solingen GG Motto NR
A. M. Bronn trans 7/87 nM �AM Bronn etch on Ric w/maker mark
Karl Bocker trans 7/45 Motto ric
H. Boker & Co. Solingen Black handle bowie with swaz roundel
Heinr. Boker & Co. Solingen NR Motto
Transitional 7/75 Motto ric 1937
Transitional 7/75 nM ric
Christians Solingen GG NR Motto
GG NR Motto solid blue Diamond
Ewald Cleff RZM only 7/93 nM
Carl Eickhorn small double oval arms up factory wooden grips GG NR M
Pre 32 motto no �Carl Eickhorn� squirrel only small brass rivets with cutouts
Pre 32 motto �no Carl Eickhorn� squirrel only large brass rivets covering cutouts
Small double oval arms up GG NR Motto
Small double oval arms out GG NR Motto
Transitional 7/66 Motto ric 1937
Transitional 7/66 ric nM no date
Transitional 7/66 ric nM 1938 *need trans 38 w M
Transitional 7/66 ric nM 1939
Transitional 7/66 ric nM 1940
Transitional 7/66 ric nM 1941 mint
Transitional 7/66 1942 (head over shoulder) near mint
RZM M7/66 Motto 26
C. Fred. Ern Solingen Wald ric nM
�ERN Solingen� obverse w/ reverse crown on top of sword nM
Arthur Evertz- �AES� trans 7/85 nM ric
�Arthur Evertz� Solingen trans 7/85 nM ric
Carl Evertz nM ric
G. Felix Solingen Gloriawerk GG Motto NR
Trans m7/28 Ric Motto
�Gloria� in acid etch script on obverse Ric nM
Franz Frenzel RzM only nM 7/116
Ed. Gembrough RZM only nM m7/8
Emil Gierling trans �Gierling� m7/46 Motto
�E. Gierling� Solingen trans Motto
Gerb. Grafrath trans Motto 7/46 brass and chrome 1936
Trans Motto 7/46 steel and nickel 1936
Grawiso Solingen GG Motto NR
Ludwig Groten Solingen GG Motto NR
Joseph Hack RZM only 7/103
Herman Hann Solingen Wald GG Motto NR
Carl Halbach Solingen GG Motto NR
Carl Halbach Solingen Motto ric
Trans 7/23 nM 1938
Wilhelm Halbach (Christmas tree) GG Motto NR tree alone
Ric trans Motto double oval m7/35
Ric trans Motto tree straight up
Ric nM tree striaght up
Ric nM strr on side
Gottlieb Hammesfahr Solingen Foche GG Motto NR
Hammesfahr swimmer GG Motto NR
Hartkoph & Co. GG Motto NR early sloping head
Trans Motto 1936 sloping head 7/40
Trans Motto 1937 square head GG Motto 7/40
Trans Motto 1937 different head 7/40
Trans Motto 1938 different head 7/40
Carl Heidelberg Solingen GG Motto NR
F & A Helbig RZM only 7/73
J. A. Henckels Solingen Swillingswerk GG Motto NR
Transitional Motto Ric 7/10 1936
Transitional Motto Ric 7/10 no date heavy w brass rivets
Transitional nM Ric 7/10 1939
C. Jul Herbertz Ric nM �distributor
Herbertz & Meyer Solingen-Gr. GG Motto NR
Herder & Engles Solingen Ohligs GG Motto NR personalized �WK�
Fried. Herder RZM only 7/49
Rich. Abr. Herder Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional 38 7/18
Transitional 38 7/18 differs from above
Transitional 40 7/18
Transitional 41 7/18
Robert Herder (windmill only) GG Motto NR mint
Robert Herder (windmill & �Robert Herder�) Solingen ric nM
Robert Herder (windmill & Robert Herder) Solingen GG NR nM
F. W. Holler Solingen GG Motto NR company name only in script Mint
Name only in block letters Motto 1936
GG marked block letters nM
Transitional nM thermometer 7/33
Transitional nM thermometer differs 7/33
E. & F. Horster Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional Motto ric 7/36
Transitional Motto ric 7/36 plexiglass grips w/period pics of girlfriend/soldier
Eaglehead
Justinus Solingen Motto NR
C. Rud. Jacobs RZM only m7/35 nM
Jacobs & Co. Solingen Gr. nM
Karl. Robt Kaldenbach RZM Only 7/72
Robt. Klaas GG Motto NR very early
GG Motto different GG mark NR
Transitional extremely deep motto ric 7/37 1936
Robt Klaas factory bowie blade (diamond moves)
44. Klitterman & Moog gmbh Hann/Solingen GG nM ric
transitional nM 7/29 1939
transitional nM 7/29 1940
45. Knect-K & Co. Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional motto 7/11
Transitional Motto ric 1936
Transitional nM 7/11 1939
Transitional nM 7/11 1941
46. Fred. D. v Kohlen GG Motto NR
47. Gust. Koller Solingen GG Motto NR
48. Hachf. Koller RZM only 7/60
49. Hugo Koller Solingen GG Motto NR small bird few lines
Hugo Koller Solingen GG Motto NR large bird many lines
50. Herm. Konejung AG Solingen GG Motto NR
51. Carl Julius Krebbs transitional crown over �K� on front with 7/5 on reverse
52. H & F. Lauterjung W Solingen transitional motto 7/6
transitional nM 7/6
53. Carl & Robt. Linder-Weyer-Solingen GG Motto NR
C & R Linder transitional Motto 7/15
54. Louper (flamme) GG Motto NR
P. D. Lunchloss RZM only 7/14
P. Lungstrasse Solingen-Ohligs GG Motto NR
C. Lutters & Co. Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional Motto 7/59
Transitional nM 7/59
Gerb. Lutzenkirchen Solingen GG Motto butcher knife only
GG Motto knife and anvil
Lux Solingen GG Motto NR
GG NR Motto different fox
Early made into a thigh knife w/aircraft aluminum
60. Ernest Mandewirth Solingen GG Motto NR
GG Motto NR different GG mark
61. Carl Aug. Meis Gmbh Solingen Mercheid Motto (CAM)
August Merten Wwe Solingen-Grafrath Motto
Rob. Muller Mercheid-Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional motto large letters 7/32
Transitional motto small letters
Pack --E P &S motto ricasso anodized scabbard
Transitional motto 1937 no rzm #
Eaglehead spanner ricasso
Franz Pils & Sohne RZM only 7/102
F. Plucker Jr. Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional motto 7/62
Plumacher Sohne RZM only 7/83
Puma Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional Motto 1937
Transitional 1938 nM
Transitional 1939 GG marked
K. Ritter Solingen GG Motto NR
K. Ritter Solingen Motto NR
Kuno Ritter Solingen-Graefrath GG Motto NR
Transitional Kuno Ritter Solingen Motto ric 7/3
C. D. Schaaf Solingen GG Motto NR small head
C. D. Schaaf Solingen Motto NR large head
Transitional Motto short pipe 7/56 no date
Transitional Motto short pipe 1937
Transitional Motto long pipe 1938
Carl Schmidt Sohn Solingen Motto NR
Carl Schmidt transitional nM 7/84 1939
Fred. Aug. Schmidtz Solingen GG Motto NR
Hermann Schneider Solingen Motto NR
A. Shuttlehofer Solingen Wald GG Motto NR
Transitional (A Schuttlehofer) & m7/13 Motto ric
RZM only Motto
Asso Solingen GG Motto NR
Paul Seilheimer Solingen _PS Solingen Motto NR mint priced at 3 marks w/ bag
PS NR nM
Dog trademark Motto ric
SMF Solingen GG Motto NR SMF also stamped on scabbard
C. Gustov Spitzer GG Motto NR
Franz Steinhoff Solingen-Wald GG Motto NR
Transitional 1939 no �M� in RZM-�just RZ� and large �39�
79. Tiger Solingen GG Motto NR small tiger many stripes
Tiger Solingen GG Motto NR large tiger with few stripes
Transitional Motto Large tiger few stripes 7/68 1936
Tiglewerk Reimbreg Schl ric nM
Transitional nM 7/81
Transitional nM 7/81 1939
Emil Voos Solingen GG Motto NR
EV&S Solingen GG Motto NR
Gust. Voos (fox head only) Solingen GG Motto NR
Fox head only head differs
Wilh. Wagner Solingen Mercheid Motto NR
Early no Motto
Transitional Motto ric 7/25
84. Weilputz,Thomas Solingen-Hohscheid RZM Only
Wilh. Weltersbach Solingen GG Motto NR
Transitional Motto m7/22
Max Weyersberg Solingen GG Motto NR
WMW Waffen Sword through WMW GG Motto NR
Paul Weyersberg Transitional Motto Ric rzm obverse motto reverse
Reih. Weyersberg Solingen GG Motto NR
Anton Wingen Jr. Motto NR
Transitional Motto 7/51
Arthur Wingen (Chromolit) CH GG Motto NR
Ch Solingen Motto ric
WKC Waffenfabrick G.M.B.H. Solingen-Wald Motto Ric
Transitional Motto 1936
Transitional Motto 1937
Transitional Motto 1938
W. Wllms Solingen ric nM
Carl Wusthof Gladiatorwork GG Motto NR
Transitional nM 7/112
Ed Wusthof Solingen GG Motto NR
Early GG Motto NR different GG
Transitional GG nM 1939
Transitional GG nM 1940
Transitional GG nM 1941
95. Zeiter �Wein transitional 7/104 nM
RZM m7/1+ unknown

Questionable:
Rhino
Rehwappen


RZM only examples (own no early maker mark) listed above (total 13)

1. Ed. Gembrough 8
2. PD Lunchloss 14
3. Paul Weyersberg 43
4.Freid. Herder 49
5. Hachf. Koller 60
6. Karl. Robt. Kaldenback 72
7.F & A Helbig 73
8. Plumacher 83
9. Ewald Cleff 93
10.Frans Pils & Sohne 102
11.Joesph Hack 103
12.Weilputz,Thomas 109
13.Franz Frenzel 116


RZM ONLY WITH MOTTO (Total 24 knives 20 makers, 2 unmarked)

1. No RZM mark motto obverse
No RZM mark motto reverse
M7/2 Voos
M7/2 Voos 1938
M7/2 Voos no ricasso (the only RZMed NR motto I have ever seen)
4. M7/5 Krebs
5. M7/8 Gembrough
6. M7/13 Shuttlehofer
7. M7/14 P. D. Lunchloss
8. M7/27 Puma
9. M7/33 FW Holler
10 M.7/36 E & F Horster
11. M7/38 Paul Seilheimer
12. M7/43 Paul Weyersberg
m7/43 Motto on reverse, rzm on obverse
13. M7/46 Emil Gierling
14. M7/49 Friedrich Herder
15. M7/51 Anton Wingen (most common)
16. M7/60 Hachf. Koller
17. M7/66 Eickhorn
18. M7/72 Karl Robert Kaldenback
19. M7/102 Franz Pils & Sohne
20. M7/109 Weilputz, Thomas Solingen-Hohscheid


RZM KNIVES; total 42 makers

RZM ONLY Marking early heavy knife with no number (never had one)
1 Christians 1938
1 Christians 1939
1+ Unknown
2 Voos 1938
2 Voos 1940 swaz on scabbard
3 Kuno Ritter White Diamond
3 Kuno Ritter MINT
6. 5 Carl J. Krebs
7. 8 Ed Gembruch
9. 9 SMF rough
10. 10 Henckels
11. 11 Knect 1942 mint plastic hanger
12. 12 Max Weyersberg 1940
12 Max Weyersberg 1941
13. 13 Shuttlehoffer most common
14. 14 PD Lunchechloss 1939
14 PD Lunechechloss 1940
15. 25 Wilh. Wagner
16. 27 Lauterjung 1940
17. 28 G. Felix 1941
18. 31 Aug Mertern
17. 33 F W Holler
18. 34 C. Rudolph Jacobs
19. 36 E & F Horster stag
20. 37 Klaas 1938
21. 38 Paul Seilhamer
22. 42 WKC 1942
23. 45 Karl Bocker
24. 49 Fried. Herder 1939 with spanners and screws
25. 51 Anton Wingen
26. 52 Herbertz & Meurer mint tagged
27. 56 CD Schaaf 1940
56 CD Schaaf 1941
28. 60 Nachf. Koller rough
29. 62 Plucker 1944 dated presentation
30. 65 Heidelberg, Carl rough
31. 66 Eickhorn
66 Eickhorn 1942 over the shoulder squirrel
32. 68 Tiger (Lauterjung)
32. 72 Karl Robert Kaldenbach
Karl Robert Kaldenbach very large 1940 on obverse ricasso
34. 80 C. Gustav Spitzer 39 very large
80 C. Gustov Spitzer 39 very small
35. 83 Plumacher
36. 85 Arthur Evertz stag
37. 93 Elwald Cleff
38. 94 Gerb Bell
39. 103 Joseph Hack 38
40. 109 Weilputz,Thomas Solingen_Hohscheid
41. 116 Franz Frenzel
42. 118 Jacobs & Co. 41
Jacobs & CO. original leather protective covering on scabbard

Maker Mark with different RZM Mark; 2 Examples

Boker: early maker mark with RZM M7/36�E & F Horster
E & F Horster early mark with RZM M7/37 Klaas

Personalized HJs; total 31
Gottlieb Hamesfahr ric nM � Kurt Schronce� on scabbard
Herman Konejung ric M �W. Lohmann� on ric
Puma NS knife trans ric �Horbach� on ric
E & F Horster �Gunter Weck� acid etch on blade
Herbertz & Meurer rzm (52) �Heinz Steniker� acid etch on blade
Grafrath trans 36 �H. Hampe� on pommel end
Hartkoph trans �1 Seiger Wehrfun Kamp 1940�
Herbertz & Meurer rzm (52) �Julius Heyder 1944� engraved blade
Henckels rzm (10) 1939 �Adolf Wagner� acid etch blade
F. Plucker trans �Ehrenprets RBHN 1937�
Gottlieb Hammesfahr early �W. Sch.� On pommel end
Robert Herder (windmill only) �K Belper� on spine
Klass distributor marked �HUMMEL� on spine *gone*
Hartfoph �Helmut Schnredet�
Anton Wingen early �P Shcunk�
Hartkoph trans 38 �NG� on pomel end
Puma rzm 1941 �Lothar Ranglack� acid etch blade
Gurtav Felix �Gloria� acid etch script obverse blade
Emil Voos �Helmuth Beifuss�
Tiger trans �Matthes� engraved on pommel
SMF early �HHW� intertwined H on H on W
Jacobs & Co rzm (118) �Hans Pfeffer Schonogen� spine w/letter f/owner
Anton Wingern trans 38 �G. Engle�
Seilheimer rmx (38) �Aufbauschule�
Christians �Rolf Roth 20 IV 43�
Seilheimer rzm (38) �H Yusi� ? acid etch
Gerb Bell rough �Willi Busch� pommel end
Schuttlehoffer rzm (13) stag �Werewolf� acid etch ricasso
Hartfoph 1940 �Leben und ---� acid etch kids writing
Henckels trans 1936 dist marked �Jean Hummel� *gone*
Gottlieb Hammesfahr �Rattich� on spine at pommel end

ODD KINVES
Christians totally dark blue diamond
WKC Marine HJ nM blue and white diamond (lighter than Lutters)
C. Lutters Marine HJ Motto dark blue (all blue) diamond like # 1
WKC with SS motto and presentation to SS officer for judging sports
Cut down Bayo dual fullers early dark red diamond mint
Cut down bayo like #5 but used hard
Early arms out Eickhorn with medical tape address Cardell SS (staff sgr) 31190412 Btry A 102 FA Bn APO 26
Anton Wingen with runic letters acid etched on blade
Puma trans 1937 Motto front grip wood �Langlau Germany 1945� painted on grip and troop 350 in paint on scabbard
Boot knife with HJ diamond
Eaglehead w/stationary eye motto and no maker
Eaglehead EP&S spanners
Eaglehead Anton Wingen Spanners
Rich Abr. Herder stag plastic scabbard straps �TRUE MINT�
Eaglehead -E & F Horster
Eaglehead EP&S motto ricasso anodized scabbard no spanners
EP&S no ricasso spanners
EP&S motto GG marked spanners

DAMASCUS HJ
E & F HORSTER SCHLOSSBERG COMMEMORATIVE

Bayonets
Carl Julius Krebbs
WKC
E. Pack
Gustav Spitzer
No Maker �sharpened

HJ HONOR BAYONETS
HJ Motto engraved pommel no maker
HJ Motto engraved pommel Anton Wingen
Ss Motto engraved pommel Carl Wustoff
SS Motto engraved pommel Anton Wingen both HJ diamond and SS roundell

Bowie blade HJs
Klaas
Hartkopf
** need a WKC**

DJ knives
Othollo
�K�
unmarked
unmarked with diamond on scabbard
unmarked with diamond in grip

NPEA
Burgsmuller and Eickhorn Student, Staff Leader and Chained Leader

Russ, Thanks for the list! What does "nM" ric mean? Regards

nM= no motto
gg= Ges Geschutz
Ric= ricasso

lance

Russ/Lance, Thank-you, Sir!

Russ: The WKC Bowie knife blade style HJ has been seen both with and without trademark of Knight's Head. I have both and found directly from veterans. Bob Grant also has found it with the Knight's Head TM. All of these are believed to have been mid to late war issues.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Thanks Russ great piece of work

Well I finally bought the right stuff and Lance can now take pictures and email them. I doubt if I will even try to learn-I had enough trouble learning my new tractor's ins and outs. ( I mow 6 acres weekly) If there is a particular maker mark you want to see let me know. I am not saying it will be immediate but we will get it to you. I have just about gotten through all the HJs I have and will be listing some on the classifieds Memorial Day Weekend. Don't know what they will be yet but if I have two identical I am selling one. It seems I keep most everything because two identical maker marks and dates will have different rivets or grips etc. There may be 3 or 33 I don't know. all are from my collection. No lists yet. I will list what I am selling, if I sell any on Saturday afternoon, May 27. Russ

Thanks for a good list!
is SM/1940 a good makers mark and marked Germany on the other side?

Cheers for a first timer on a HJ knife!

//Felix

germany on it does not sound good no original hj's should have it on.its a post war knife.
have you pictures?

sean

Yes here are some pics.