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#84479 08/04/2006 03:44 PM
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Thank you both gentlemen, I truly appreciate your comments and the opportunity your thread Louie, gave me to share it! It has been my pride and joy for many, many years now and I must say, as with most daggers, looks even better "in-hand." Even the scabbard still has most of its lacquer! Thank you Vern, I'll look for this thread in it's new location. ~ Ian


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#84480 08/07/2006 08:10 PM
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It is my opinion based on my experience and having seen multiple examples over the years that ALL the WPP daggers with the eagle on the grip are "custom" applied--either at the factory or somewhere else. Some are period without question-some are not. They seem to be "unofficial" but tolerated. This opinion is based on the fact that---There are no known period references or regulations relative to these eagles and there seems to be a wide variety of types-no standardization- with some pieces having been around for a very long time. In addition -some of these pieces that have been around for a long time seem to be conversions using the older black horn grips. This makes it extremely difficult or almost impossible to determine what is period and what is not. IMO that is why these pieces are often avoided and there is always a wide difference of opinion if they are period or not.
It is also my opinion that all the pieces with the etched eagle applied to the blade are not period. The blade may be but the eagle etch is not. This is also true of the Hunting pieces with DJ emblems on the blade.
Navy Scabbards with embossed bands can be orignal. The last ditch STEEL plated ones are like this. They also have a spring. But-IMO-the brass alloy ones are post war.
Just thought I would throw these thoughts out for your consideration.


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#84481 08/07/2006 08:34 PM
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Hi Houston and Thanks for the comments. Just to keep things square, I do NOT, and did not, think this scabbard is 3R! I believe it to be a '57 Version Like I said above and I still believe it is. I just added the comment about the bands as a FWIW. Also, As I said above, I don't know if the etched Badge on the blade is period or not, But, Even if it is not, The Blade itself is quite real. To Try to "correct" the blade would just make the situation worse, so I must accept it for what it is. I think that a lot of collectors would just dismiss a Naval scabbard with the embossed bands as Repro out of hand. So I figured the information was worth reporting. 3FL


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