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#83583 02/19/2007 07:37 PM
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Hello,

I post these photos for a friend.
Why is the blade without the "Ges. Gesch." & TeNo eagle?

All seems to be ok. Opinion please.

Thanks.

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Looks like a blade switch with an army perhaps.


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The TeNo blade is larger than an army blade, so I would question if that's possible.
Next, as I remember from the past, early low number TeNos can be found without the Teno eagle and swastika.
Ron Weinand
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PS: I can't see the number on the scabbard well and the number looks like 0085????


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Very interesting Ron, 1st I've heard this and never read it in a textbook. Thanks for sharing. Without this being common knowledge would make this dagger a tough sale.

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Tough $ale is right.I would not buy it.


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hello ron the number on the blade is0085 , this dagger is 100%original i am sure ,but for me this is the first time that i have a TENO without the teno control on the blade,this dagger is in my collection (MATARESE is a good friend and put for me this pics on the forum for all the collector community!) sory for my bad english!
best regards from france
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Ron comes out with some interesting info.Very low #.Glad your still here Ron.I wonder if and I'm not trying to knock the piece if this blade could have been one of the many left over parts from after the war.Maybe it never received the stamp or etch of the Teno.Reading TJ he states very few Teno Leaders were issued but many were re-assembled post war.Stamping of crossguard and scabbard is easy and again I'm not ripping this dagger apart.In this hobby never say never. Cool


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Sorry, I don't have time to go into a long explanation about this piece, but am packing for the SOS and just received my new book from the printer, so am a little busy
Yes, some TeNos were made without the TN proof eagle and were the initial supply, but don't know where the number brake was.
Next, I have never encountered an extra TeNo Leader's dagger blade or crossguard. The only leftover TeNo Leader's part I have seen is the grip.
Ron Weinand
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PS I know of several who are looking for a crossguard.


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Never say never and replace it with "ANYTHING GOES" Wink


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All things considered, still a nice looking dagger. It'll never be "textbook", that is until they rewrite the textbook, but I like it. Good thing TeNo blades are longer than a standard Heer blade as everyone would think it was swapped out.

The thing I noticed is the presence of a lot of plating on the rear crossguard, most I see are speckled on the reverse. Sadly the scabbard is missing most or all of it's burnish, I'd hate to think someone cleaned it somewhere down the line.


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hello dear friend this dolch is a good dolch, i have buy this dolch to a french veteran, alas a man buy the leather gehange one day before for a very little price 150� !!! and me i buy the dolch for 1000� , the blade is the large blade for the teno and the tang and all the detail are the same that all the teno officer that i have see!!
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Guys - my gut tells me Ron Weinand is 100% correct. As we all know, "Ges. Gesch" means patent pending. It makes perfect sense that early Tenos (# 085 - holy cow!) may not have had this stamp. This is plausible. They were so early in the production line that the issue of patents did not come up until later in the production. Who here would like to expand on the German patent process of the 1930's? Anyone know why Teno daggers had the patent pending stamp and others daggers didn't? Now there is the basis for a discussion. I am sure Ron would tell us, but as he indicated he didn't have the time.

Moreover, I am weary and sad of the constant verbal assault on pieces because they are not "textbook." I have to close my eyes for the xx-th time everytime I hear they word "textbook" thrown around like muddy shoes. As someone pointed out, good luck finding this mythical textbook. Sure, there are distinguishing characteristics that educated collectors aspire to learn, but the drum beat of criticism sometimes gets out of hand. Reference material is great - I love Johnson's and Wittmann's books. They have done wonders for the hobby. It is people who are way too quick on the draw here who do not have all the substantial facts that trouble me.

I don't have the knowledge of the advanced collectors here - so I am mute with my comments and reluctant to speak out most of the time. But there has been a rash of posters launching battles against pieces shown here on GDC based on flimsy evidence compounded by inexperience. We have seen this spill into the "For Sale" section on pieces that have already been vetted in the forum, and still it is allowed to continue.

It needs to stop. If you are really knowlegable, then please, please share it with the rest of us. Others need to think before engaging keyboard.


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Borse you said a mouth full.While this dagger may not be text book I wouldn't turn it down for the price.At the MAX 7-8 yrs ago a dealer had a Teno Leader the stamp on the blade was example 12345 on the scabbard it was 12335 with the 4 stamped over the second 3.Was this a mistake by the stamper? Did he put the stamps down and pick up the wrong one?Well the selling price was $3000 and dopey didn't take it as expert friends said "it's not text book".My above comment again was not to dis-credit the dagger only my opinion as what may have happened. Cool


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