#82082
04/16/2007 05:00 PM
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Sorry if I bringing up an old discussion...
What makers have you seen (and I mean on real knives), that has the RZM-mark on the obverse ricasso? Transitional or RZM. I guess Evertz and Ritter is the most common ones. Besides them, I have an old beater thats made by Wusthof, wich has the Wusthof maker mark on the reverse and the Wusthof RZM and date on the obverse (and to my knowledge, its a real one). What about you?
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#82083
07/01/2007 09:30 PM
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Just bringing this back to the top because this is an interesting topic and one that doesn't seem to have been discussed alot on this forum. There are a few threads that mention RZM marked obverse blades but I don't think there were any pics, and a list hasn't been made. Could members who have these perhaps post pics? I hope we will get some info from those well versed in the subject, HJ enthusiasts who have large collections, dealers etc. Unfortunately, I don't have any myself, but it is a subject that I'm interested in reading about.
Regards
Russell
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#82084
07/01/2007 10:12 PM
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Hello, Ruski, here you go, A Evertz! Regards, Leipzig
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#82085
07/01/2007 11:17 PM
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Thanks Leipzig for making a start!
I understand there was an order that details the change regarding placement of the RZM mark on the obverse of HJ's? Does anyone have a copy of this order that could also be posted?
Regards
Russell
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#82086
07/02/2007 06:43 AM
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Yahooo! Finally, somebody! Thank you, Ruski and Leipzig!
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#82087
07/02/2007 07:07 AM
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HJ-collector, can you post a pic of your Wusthof?
I've seen various pics of M7/2's but they have been repros.
From an earlier thread Ron W has a Kuno Ritter with M7/3 1936 on the obverse and the trademark and motto on the reverse - can you post a pic Ron?
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Russell
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#82088
07/02/2007 07:23 AM
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As I said, it really is a beater. I have sold it since I wrote the previous post, but I managed to find some pics of it anyway. Sorry about the bad picture quality, hope its somewhat visible.
The obverse, with RZM:
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#82089
07/02/2007 07:25 AM
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#82090
07/02/2007 08:26 PM
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Interesting, only a couple of makers seemed to do this. Here are another W�sthof and an Arthur Everts variation.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#82091
07/02/2007 08:28 PM
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Arthur Everts variation
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#82092
07/02/2007 08:33 PM
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Nice knife, Herr Mann. I guess your Wusthof has the makers mark on the reverse too?
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#82093
07/02/2007 10:12 PM
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Herman, it looks like that second knife is marked M7/13 for Schuttelhofer, or is it a poorly struck M7/19 for Wusthof? Do either of your knives have any other markings?
Regards
Russell
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#82094
07/03/2007 04:42 PM
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HJ-Collector,
yes, it has the mark on the reverse (see picture)
Russell,
It's a poorly struck 19.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#82095
07/08/2007 02:37 AM
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So we have:
M7/3 Kuno Ritter M7/19 Ed Wusthof M7/85 Arthur Evertz
Is that it?
Dig out your HJ's guys - there must be more than this!
Regards
Russell
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#82096
07/09/2007 10:06 PM
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I have a rzm marked and a maker marked with the dedication.
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#82097
07/09/2007 10:07 PM
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#82098
07/09/2007 10:08 PM
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07/09/2007 10:09 PM
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07/09/2007 10:10 PM
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07/09/2007 10:10 PM
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#82102
07/09/2007 10:38 PM
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Thanks for the reply G24T, you have a couple of nice HJ knives there, an early maker marked Christians with motto, and a later RZM marked Max Weyersberg. Most of the knives, if they had an RZM mark, were marked with this on the reverse of the blade, as yours is. HJ-Collector and I are hoping to find out which knives had the RZM marked on the front, or obverse of the blade/ricasso, and judging by the number of views, and few responses so far, it seems there were not too many, or the topic is not lighting anyone's fire!. Thanks very much for your reply and pics. If you see one of these in your travels, please come back and post it!
Regards
Russell
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#82103
07/10/2007 12:53 AM
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Heres a few that I have. ED W�STHOF RZM M7/19 1941
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#82104
07/10/2007 12:54 AM
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#82105
07/10/2007 12:55 AM
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#82106
07/10/2007 12:56 AM
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#82107
07/10/2007 12:59 AM
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WILH. WELTERSBACH RZM M.7/22 1936 ( blades been highly buffed out)
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#82108
07/10/2007 12:59 AM
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#82109
07/10/2007 01:51 AM
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Raymond, thanks for showing your HJ's and adding to the thread - great looking knives!
This is what we have so far:
RZM M7/3 Kuno Ritter (no pic) RZM M7/19 1939 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch RZM M7/19 1940 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch RZM M7/19 1941 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch RZM M.7/22 1936 (Wilh Weltersbach) motto, on reverse MM ges gesch RZM M7/37 1938 (Robt Klaas) motto, on reverse MM RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz) RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz) MM
Let's see some more!
Regards
Russell
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#82110
07/19/2007 07:40 PM
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Did we say Spitzer, transitional?
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#82111
07/19/2007 08:11 PM
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I only have one..Mint..with motto, M7/10,1938..J A Henckels. Seiler (Yank in UK)
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#82112
07/27/2007 02:28 PM
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Seiler Could you show a picture of it?
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#82113
07/27/2007 04:28 PM
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Would if I could but can,t. Seiler (Yank in UK)
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#82114
07/27/2007 05:49 PM
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Thats ok, we believe you Thanks for mentioning it, anyway.
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#82115
09/21/2007 02:23 PM
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WANTED TO REPURCHASE!! Walther pistol Model PP - ac code - Ser. No. 382000P - REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!
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#82116
09/21/2007 02:24 PM
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WANTED TO REPURCHASE!! Walther pistol Model PP - ac code - Ser. No. 382000P - REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!
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#82117
09/29/2007 02:23 PM
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another one , looks to read m7/67 1937
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#82118
09/29/2007 02:31 PM
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#82119
05/23/2009 04:12 PM
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Wanna wake up this thread and show you this Gustav C. Spitzer-made Fahrtenmesser der Hitlerjugend, (manufactured in 1938 ?). Rivets and hilt are magnetic.
From 1939 on the blade�s were marked with the year of production and were made of zinc, am I right ?
Rgds.,
R.
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#82120
05/23/2009 04:12 PM
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pic 2
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#82121
05/23/2009 04:13 PM
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pic 3:
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