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Wonder if anyone can identify this tunic from the shoulder boards and lapel patches. It has a 4 button closure to the front of the tunic. Any idea of age, rank of wearer etc?
Many thanks
BrianA

Sorry about the photo. Cant get to resize it properly. Trying again
BrianA

Brian,
Here, I down sized it for you. Looks west German to me.

Regards,
Bill Unland

Scratching my head over this one.... any chance of getting better colored shots of the tunic. My guess is W. German also. There are only a handful of states that actual wore that style board. But I can't recall any wearing the green around the neck.

Andrew

Placing another photo of tunic. Did west German police have this type of turn back cuff and a bandage pocket on the inside lining? Sorry I don't know very much about police tunics.
Thanks
Brian A

One last photo of lining showing what appears to be a bandage pocket. There are no markings on the lining to indicate tailors etc.
BrianA

HiAndrew,
Can't get the photos to the exact colour colour. It is a very dark green, much darker than the photos suggest. It also has loops for awards on the upper tunic pocket.
BrianA

Due to missed "v" in silver "Plattschn�ren" are these shoulderboards 100 percent from German Federal Republic - cca 1960-1970, some sort of LandesPolizei (BREMEN for example)
Rank "Meister" - cca WO in US ARMY.
Look at
http://soko110.so.ohost.de/polizei/europa/deutschland/index.php

Brian

This is a vexing issue. Which is fine, I love a mystery. Let's start with the rank. I know you are having problems with the pictures. Can you descibe the material makeup of the rank. Is it normal white thread, or is it silver ? Also, what best describes the green underlayment color (pale gree, hunter green, bright green). Also, the same for the collar tabs.

While it is not uncommon to find detailed interior pockets like this on post war jackets, I am leaning more towards the possibility of a post war use of a WWII tunic. But to be honest, nothing is matching up.

Jiri

I looked over the site. They did a nice job in presenting a basic outline of the ranks. But unfortunately it is not completely accurate. The site uses the same rank graphic for various states, when each one used a "different" style.

Andrew

Andrew

Thanks for taking the time to look at the uniform. The green of the collar is a very dark green, possibly something like a bottle green or an even a very much darker shade of British Racing green. The backing to the shoulder boards is a lighter green very much like British racing green and there is a plastic like material ( broken into small bits ) between the silver threads of the top of the board and the backing material. I am of the opinion that the shoulder boards have been replaced as the sewing on the shoulder hem where the boards meets it is cruder and different to the rest of the sewing. You can put a finger under the shoulder board into the sleeve so it is only sewn on the top of the board to the shoulder. The shoulder boards are made of silver metal thread. The collar tabs are in a different shade of green than the rest. Under electric light it looks a green/brown in colour. Hope this makes some sense to you.
Thanks
Brian

Brian,

The tunic looks very postwar to me. I have seen these green open collar tunics before but I am not certain what they are. The shiney green rayon lining is also typical of postwar police/forestry uniforms, IMHO. Certainly not wartime Ordnungspolizei.

Here are my shoulderboards - Rheinland-Pfalz (dark green) and Schleswig-Holstein (light green).

Mr. Huntzman,
I agree with you, but very little is known about German Federal Republic police uniforms from cold war era - this is only one internet site about this topic I know...
I'm trying put together Federal German Republic police ranks and insignia (shoulderboards & collar patches) but with a very little success.
Have You any sources to this topic?

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Originally posted by ORPO:
Brian,

The tunic looks very postwar to me. I have seen these green open collar tunics before but I am not certain what they are. The shiney green rayon lining is also typical of postwar police/forestry uniforms, IMHO. Certainly not wartime Ordnungspolizei.

George

I agree. My first thoughts were some period tunic with replaced post war insignia. But I double checked on the tunic I was thinking about and I was wrong. In any event it's not police, at least nothing regulation. It could be from something like the forestry service, but that is not an area I am well versed in.

The shoulder boards look like they are from Schleswig Holstein, but then the collar tabs don't match up with the ones they used. The collar tabs look like they could be BGS.

Either way, it is certainly an eclectic mix of insignia.

Brian

Are there any markings within the tunic itself ? Anything on the interior liner or inside pockets ?

Andrew

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Originally posted by Jiri Libal sr.:
I agree with you, but very little is known about German Federal Republic police uniforms from cold war era - this is only one internet site about this topic I know...

Jiri

Unfortunately you are correct. To the best of my knowledge there are no sites dedicated to post war rank insignia. It takes up so much space to display everything that I guess it is not very practical. If you check the thread on West German insignia (start at the 1st page) you will see I am writing an outline, by state of the W. German Police. This will include rank insignia and will be able to give you a better understanding.

Unfortunately some personal issues are taking up much of my time so I have been a little slow. Rest assured I will be hitting each state over a period of time. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. I have a number of personal references to draw from.

Andrew

Hi Andrew,
Have checked all of the lining and inside pockets but there are no labels or markings of any kind. I reckon it was a tailored tunic rather than store issued one. I am convinced that the tunic is older than the shoulder boards which to me are a more recent addition as per the cruder stitching to attatching the boards to the shoulders of the tunics. I have seen the same tunic lining in WW2 tunics, so there is a possibility it is of WW2 era.
BrianA

Brian

I would say that it is a safe bet that the insignia is post war. I would even bet that the collar tabs might be old BGS. The boards are perplexing. I'd say Schleswig, but the center green doesn't seem to fit. Very odd matchup. I'll leave the authenticity of the tunic to the experts in that genre.

Andrew