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Originally Posted by C. Wetzel-20609
Gaspare, they belong to a friend of mine.

The 1895 "Carl Holz, Tuttlingen" catalog was copied from the original that is located in the VICTORINOX museum at Ibach, Switzerland.

Previous owner of that outstanding Carl Holz catalog was Horst Brunner from Winterthur/Switzerland.
I learned to know his outstanding collection of pocket knives from all over the world and his knife related archives during the late 1980s.
He was the leading expert in late 1800s Solingen made Swiss Army knives and follow-up VICTORINOX / Carl Elsener and WENGER Swiss Army Knmives.
Whe he passed away all his collection was acquired by Victorinox.

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Hi Chevalier,

my friend, Mr. Kashammer, sent this reply when I questioned him about the 1895 "Carl Holz, Tuttlingen" catalog on Oct. 31, 2022:

"This catalog was in the collection of Horst Brunner, Switzerland. When he passed away his collection went to Victorinox. Brunner had also a tremideous number of Musterb├╝cher. I was twice at Ibach to see the collection of Horst. And one time I also saw the catalogs. There is a book. Feuer and Feuerschlagmesser which is sometimes on Ebay to get. And there are some sides catalogs printed. I made my own Musterbuch of these pages. Greetings".

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Hey Gaspare, thank you,

your period reference catalog post of 11/14/2022 has helped me.

I just acquired a G. GRAFRATH, SOLINGEN, "Shotshell Puller", Jagdmesser and it looks exactly like "Nr. 941, NICKMESSER" and sold at 9.60 mk which means 9.60 marks and is before Reich marks, about 1933.

The catalog photo you posted probably dates to the 1920's to very early 1930's.

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Yes having period reference is the best!

C.W.,,, that white handled lockback,,,is that a automatic? [switchblade] ? a beautiful piece.......

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No Gaspare, it is not an automatic.

I will post it on page 6, JAGDMESSER THREAD after it arrives from Texas.

My friend from Germany has a very similar knife dated to about 1910-1920, with the "bladed corkscrew worm". He thinks mine is from the 1920 to 1930 period because of the "wire helix corkscrew worm".

The cross section of the corkscrews is different.

Another type of corkscrew is the "grooved wire helix corkscrew worm", the groove is for added strength.

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Corkscrew worms:

1. Cyphered wire helix - sometimes called a bladed helix
2. Bladed worm - Favoured in many German designs
3. Speed worm - for quickness
4. Archimedian - Often seen on very early pieces
5. Auger worm - Quite an uncommon design
6. Wire helix - Often found on 19th century pieces, easy to
make so quite common.
7. Grooved wire helix - A groove for added strength

Here is the link to the Corkscrew Collecting site: https://www.corkscrewcollecting.com/introduction.html

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Correction: I guessed that Reich marks, prices in reference catalogs followed by "RM", were from about 1933. Reich marks (RM) were used from 1924 to 1948.

The 1912 August Stukenbrok catalog, and the catalog Gaspare posted, listed the price followed by "Mk".

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Here is another page of the 1895 "Carl Holz, Tuttlingen" catalog with an actual rare Carl Holz knife, marked on the tang, with the two spanners or forks, overall two short diagonal lines.

This knife is also marked on the blade "GEBR. MULLER", the distributor located in Stuttgart.

The Carl Holz maker's mark is listed on page 286 of "German Knife and Sword Makers 1850-1945" by J. Anthony Carter.

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"Carl Holz, Tuttlingen" 1895 catalog and knife distributed by "Gebr. Muller, Stuttgart".
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Question from Gaspare on 6/19/2023:



"C.W.,,, that white handled lockback,,,is that a automatic? [switchblade] ? a beautiful piece......."


I gave the wrong answer to Gaspare who was asking about the beautiful white handled knife pictured on top of the 1895 Carl Holz catalog. The correct answer is YES, and it is valued at about $2000.00

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I found images of dagger knots, not from period reference, but from the 1967 dagger book by Andrew Mollo. This page is of interest to me.

From left to right, with text:
# 7 knot for postal protection service leaders with the rank of ZUGFUHRER upwards.
# 8 (green) knot for forestry officials with the rank of FORSTANWARTER upwards.
# 9 (silver with 2 green stripes) knot for the forestry officials with the rank of FORSTER upwards.
# 10 (gold with 2 green stripes) knot for the forestry officials with the rank of OBERLANDFORSTER upwards.
# 11 (silver / brown with silver strap with 2 brown stripes) knot for professional hunters (BERUFSJAGER) in the German hunter's association.
# 12 (green) knot for members of the German rifle association.

GENERAL NOTE: all officials who had held commissions in the armed forces were allowed to wear the standard aluminum knot instead of the pattern specified for their organization.

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dagger knots from the 1967 dagger book by Andrew Mollo
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My friend in Germany, "Mr. K." sent an eBay link for this 1921 Paul F. Dick, Katalog No 68 that just verkauft (sold) for 180,00 Euros ($193.93 USD).

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1921 Paul F. Dick, Katalog No 68
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1921 Paul F. Dick, Katalog No 68
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1921 Paul F. Dick, Katalog No 68 (back cover)
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- 5th and 6th down on right side page,,[especially 6th] are 2 beauties.

Would love to see them in the flesh so to say! Thanks for showing..

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Gaspare, I would prefer to take the 5th, the hunting knife with stag handle.

This company, F. DICK is well known for their steel honing rods and chef's, butchering and kitchen knives.

You can find some F. DICK stag Nickers (Lederhosenmesser) on the popular auction site, but the bigger hunting knives are a little harder to find.

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1921 Paul F. Dick, Katalog No 68
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1921 Paul F. Dick, Katalog No 68
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