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Ive just been offered this HJ today..It's the 1st one i have ever seen, It looks Legit to me all around..What ya think? And what it's worth? Thank's

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Wow, I have never seen anything like this either, but it LOOKS GREAT!
I am very interested to see what those "in-the-know" think about this.

No matter how much of a rookie I am, you cant take my HJ-knoweldge away from me. Sure, Im more than happy to admit that Im a total novice in everything but HJs, and I do need advice, and thankfully I often get them here. But Ive never seen a damaskus HJ before.

My point is, I m not really sure its real, Ive never seen one before....

However, I cant find anything wrong with it. I really do like it. Its definitly a nice knife.
(now thats a meaningful reply. wasnt it?)

I like the overall look, though there is something unusual about the Damascus pattern but I can't quite put my finger on it. It seems to look quite large to me. Also, what's written on the scabbard snap?

Looks good but strange there is no name in the TM. Could be a new fake.

The mark itself looks strange to me. Compared to other Krebs marks this one has a smaller body and tail, much bigger back legs, and balls on the ens of the antenna like a butterfly.
Not saying this means it's bad, may just be a variation of their mark that they used on this piece. But is is very different from other I have seen...

Now thats neat, real or not who wouldn't want it. Hope its good. Krebs used both TM's on dress bayonets.

TKissinger

Terry said it, who wouldn't want it? Real or not, I think most people would want it for the oddity factor, but it would depend on price.

The value? If real I think it would be a big number.

Are the motto and trademark in the steel or above it? I have the Damascus HJ in Johnson's book and your right it would tke a very big number to own it it I sold. Russ

I am curious. Could we see close ups of the rivets front and back?
Also, why is the TM so far down the blade?
The pattern is certainly different from other TR blades and is it real damascus?
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

No disagreement about it being nice looking. But methinks that it’s a forced marriage between a newly made blade and reasonably decent but otherwise used/aged parts. The blade is virtually flawless while the scabbard is used, the leather hanging strap frayed, and worn plating on the pommel/crossguard. FP

Hi, Guys Thank's for all the comments..To answer some question the scabbard button is marked Silesia..The motto is raised above the blade..Here are pics of the grip rivits both sides..More pics to follow when i have them!

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Here's a couple pics of a double proofed Ed Wustof i have and it's the same distance down the blade!

RZM

I like it a lot better since I saw that TM on the bayonet. The question is--will more be "found"?

A few thoughts of mine and mine alone. I have examples of all patterns of Damascus from the 3R era and none are like this. I have problems with the knife having a ricasso. I know how, as do most of you, that Damascus was made and the ricasso gives me reason for much thought. My Damascus knife has no ricasso. Does that mean anything per se? Probably not but look at the extremely sharp edge of the ricasso and the pattern as it goes into the ricasso and beyond. How do you build up the ricasso and keep the pattern? Russ

Don't know much about HJ's, but have a few questions for the experts.

Does anyone have a damascus blade from Krebs for comparision.

Does there have to be more than one example of this. There were other one of a kind weapons found.

RussN
What are you refering to about the ricassos on the HJ's.

TKissinger

What I meant was--that if more are found it would be bad. They don't make just one fake-they make a bunch-first you see just one -then another -then another -etc.

Ricassos are the hump at base of the blade. I can find nothing in my notes about having seen a Krebs Damascus piece. Most Damascus pieces I have seen and all I own but for the Horster HJ do not have a maker mark on the blade. I know SA and SS Damacus blades often have the Eickhorn maker mark.

In a knife collecting magazine I read about a year ago there was an advertisement from a damascus smith on the US east coast who would make a blade to your custom specificiations. They continue to make what they call Damascus and Boker, Case and individual smiths are making Damascus pocket knives and hunting knives for collectors. These are mechanized drop forge blades so the literature says. I have Case, Boker and Parker Damascus pocket knives and none of the patters resemble the 3R patterns I know. Ruxx

Just for General information, a good collecting buddy of mine just recently picked up an HJ which is a total duplicate of this one. Right down to the word "Silesia" on the snap. I had the chance to examine it after he recieved it. Other than all the "Special" parts of it, I thought it looked pretty good! However, now seeing another one out there, showing up at about the same time, I am starting to wonder about it. His came from the former East Block directly and, in my mind, this puts up an immediate "Red Flag". His does seem to be genuine Damascus as the Pattern extends to both the flat back of the blade and the ricasso edges. It has been my experience that Artificial Damascus often does not. 3FL

If it were mine I wouldn't attempt taking the grip plates off, but I sure would be tempted just to see the shape or what might be stampted on the tang.

Russ, Have you attempted this with your damas pieces? Curiosity always gets the best of me.

If someone takes the grip plates off what remotely even might turn out to be a legtimate 3R Damast just for curiosity you will be tracked down and dealt with. That is what people make x-ray machines for.

If you look closely at the damascus piece by Krebs, you see wear on the hilt and the scabbard, but the diamond still has all the silver wash and the rivets look new????
This worries me. Also, no wear to the blade, not even any in and out wear??? How is this?
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

I cant fault it, the wear to the plating is consistent with every other HJ I have ever seen with the rub marks to the hilt normally being the first to show, the rivets look totally original as does the diamond. Granted I have never seen a damast HJ in person but if this has been forged the artist should have worked in Solingen!.
Russ, as you are the man with many examples, have you ever encountered the Silesia marking to the strap stud before on legitimate knives? and like Houston says....are we going to see anymore surface.
F.P. as to the wear to the blade, surely with a raised motto and damast blade it would be a little more resilient to runner marks and you would expect the motto being the high point to take any pressure off the blade. It might just be the picture but pic 3 & 4 above shows horizontal lines to the motto consistent with in/out wear.

Degens, Did you read my post above? They are already starting to surface! From Poland, I think he said! If it is good, what do you think the odds are of two of them showing up within a couple of weeks of each other?

Wait, I just noticed that these look like the same pics of the same dagger! Rocker, you have mail! 3FL

Missed it 3fl, I have a bad habit of just skimming through the thread. What a shame, I was hoping for a minute this was real, nevertheless I take my hat off to the creator...it just makes you wonder whether he will make a buck after all the work that must have been involved. Certainly more difficult to sell as a high end item on this forum now!.


HOLD ON 3FL.... SAME PICTURES?

Degens, Yes, I may have to withdraw my comments on this. I am checking right now to see if Rocker2 is the friend I was reffering to. Just my luck! Every time I extend my hand, I stick it in a hornets nest! I will withhold further comments for the moment, lots of possibilities here, only one is a good one though. Dangit!

3FL

I just talked to my buddy who bought the Krebs HJ and sent me the pics I posted. so we are left with a bit of a problem.

Possibilities

#1, The person who is offering the dagger to Rocker2 is the same person who sold it to my friend, and he has more than one for sale. Not Good!

#2, The person who offered it to rocker2 was also offered it by the person who sold it to my friend and THEY are trying to run some kind of scam on Rocker2. I would hate for this to be the case, But if so, we may have caught it in time to save Rocker2 some grief.

#3, The person offering it to Rocker2 is the person I know who bought it! I checked with my friend and it is NOT him who is offering it to rocker2. He still has it and does not want to sell it.

Rocker2!! I would be very Wary of this deal!

3FL

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Thanks Louie for e-mailing about your group here.
Hello everyone this is Wagner. Louies buddy.
On this HJ krebs damascus: appears to be a real
damascus. I seen one somewhere in a book. Maybe one of you guys may have seen it also. Let me know. I bought it. Happy with it.
Just a question for Rocker. This is the same knife, right? You passed on it?

This PD Krebs mark has been bothering me for a while. Attached is a PDKrebs mark on an Army that belongs to me. Check the differences in the marks. Just for information.....
Denny

Denny, Damascus blades that are HANDMADE would have differences in the TM. That is what you would expect when compared to a machine made etched blade.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Ron
Is the P D Krebs mark on the HJ a good one?

I've never seen one with those characteristics and wanted to show another version. Mine is more like the mark on the bayonets shown.
Denny

I believe Rons got it right. All damascus TMs are different than on any etched or stamped TMs on standard steel blades, that I'm aware of.
I have checked this knife very carefully it looks to me like it is all original, no parts job that I could tell.
Ron, if you like I can send it to you so you can do a hand on?
-Wagner-

Wagner, I would be glad to look at it for you, but the MAX Show is only four weeks away and will be very busy in the next few weeks getting ready, especially as I am the Seminar Coordinator and may be making a presentation on NPEA Daggers if one of the speakers can't make it (he is on hold right now and is coming from Germany if he can get over here).
So, if you will be at the MAX, bring it along. If not, let's waite until after the show.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

I will not be at the MAX. I'll send it to you after the show. Just let me know when you have time. OK? Thanks Ron. - Wagner -