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#76715 01/25/2006 01:59 PM
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Very nice Andy-where did that one come from?


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There was one of these for sale at a gunshow here awhile ago that was very similiar in style to the one Houston owns but not nearly as elaborate. The dealer was trying to peddle it as a SS "prototype" dagger for around $2,000 and got a little irate when I told him it's true purpose! Roll Eyes
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Andy, A very nice example of a fraternal dagger!! Smile

Jim, Unless they are really obnoxious - most times I don�t try to enlighten dealers as to what they really have because they often react badly. At a local show a short while back a guy not only had a fake �SS� dagger. But he also had �this is the real article� SS combat bayonet. Of course the fact that the �SS� bayonet bore an amazing Eek resemblance to the Spanish Model 1943 (copy of the German 98K) is probably what kept my wallet firmly planted in my pocket for either or both items, and I just didn�t feel like trying to educate him. Oh Well ................. FP

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You are right and I've basically stopped enlightening them but this guy was really being a jerk. I've also quit emailing sellers of bad items for the same reason and also after getting some nasty replies. There's a bad etched Army up for sale right now that someone will eventually get burned on.
I think the fraternal examples shown in this thread are collectors items in their own right and don't need any false attributions.
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I dont think I have ever seen a dagger such as this with exception of the Ebay fakes. Generally at show's and I guess its from 3 years of reading topics I can spot a lot of fakes, and generally I will look at the rest of the guy's table, if the bulk is good, then maybe I might try and enlighten him. Usually I just walk away, no sense in arguing anymore. I just walk the isles and hope to see something I like.

I did have one guy when I was selling a Garand and he lowballed me, and when I disagreed with him, he got hostile and told me his watch was 5k and he had a million dollar house and 3 Corvette's and shows were the only things he did, so he must be right. I felt the pressure rise and walked 50 feet and sold the gun for 6 times his offer, then flashed him the cash. It was the closest I have been to an altercation at a show.

An impressive dagger! Congradulations on acquireing it.

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Kris

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Houston,
I went on Ebay and found it soon after it was listed. It had a Buy Now price of $275.00 so I grabbed it.

Andy

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#76721 01/26/2006 12:23 AM
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A great buy! I really like these and they are so RARE!!


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#76722 01/27/2006 06:59 PM
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There is another very similar sword at Germanias site .. Bob's description is below.. I have include a couple photos . Striking similarities..

DESCRIPTION: Here is a very rare piece of Germanic cult paraphernalia in the form of the skull-decorated dagger of the Illuminati, whose American branch is the Skull and Bones Society at Yale University. Members have included such notables as George Bush and his son �W� as well as their so-called political opponents John Kerry and other draconian figures. These are occultists by every description of the word. George �W� was initiated in 1968 at Yale�s mausoleum chamber known as �The Tomb� when undergraduates broke in they found that the �Holy of Holies�� inner sanctum has red velvet walls and carpet with a large pentagram emblazoned on the wall. All this begins with the Knights Templar that started well in Christian doctrine and protection and propagation of the faith, but unfortunately, degenerated speedily into a mystic pantheism carried even to Idolatry of Nature and intense hatred of all revealed dogma. They recognized the pantheistic symbolism of the grand masters of Black Magic. They rendered divine honors to the monstrous idol Baphomet. The apron of the European Masonic Templar Order has the skull and bones as its central theme. The skull dagger was only used in the highest rites of this templar group as a reminder as it lay on the altar of the penalty of the �blood oath;� usually, the cabala lay opened next to it. Albert Pike was appointed head of the Illuminati operations in the U.S. in 1834. He is quoted as uttering these chilling words: ��and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer.� This dagger represents evil in its most pronounced and historical entity. Most Freemasons in the U.S. in the lower degrees have no understanding of the occult background of the illuminated ones. Even 32nd-degree lodge brothers have no inkling of it, but clandestine groups such as the Skull and Bonesmen know; oh, yes, they know! Also, the 33rd degree is also replete with the occult values. The dagger is quite rare as the grandmasters would never willingly let one go in any instance, but the Freemasons were banned in the Third German Reich of Adolf Hitler. They were considered subversive, occultist, and antiwestern. Many lodges were raided by the SS and German police and in some of the lightening assaults on what the Nazi�s considered dens of vipers, many of the items of Masonic ritual were confiscated and most destroyed. This particular weapon was seized by an SA man who participated in just such a raid in the city of Halle near Leipzig. We were able to buy it from the family. Realizing that evil often is portrayed as beauty it is not surprising that this dagger is absolutely stunning in its design and balance. We believe it was made some time in the 1920s. It is a masterpiece of the sword- and dagger-maker�s art. Probably manufactured in Solingen it measures about 15 inches long in its scabbard. The cross guard measures 4 1/2 inches across. The long and lethal-looking blade is 13 inches in length (13)!!! The cross guard and scabbard are heavily-gilded brass. The scabbard is covered in leather. The handle and skull portions are in extra-fine celluloid, similar to the fittings on German Army and Air Force daggers. The leering skull has red stone ruby-like insets. The blade is in excellent condition with finely cut Masonic symbols (8 of them). The square and compass, the skull, the book (what book?), the trowel, the judgment hammer, the pyramid, Solomon�s temple, the cross guards bear the all-seeing eyes, and the square and compass. In many years we have seen only one other of these pieces and that was in a European museum. The dagger is in excellent shape. The blade stops a little from completely entering the scabbard because of some leather shrinkage often seen in such items. Here is the rarest of the rare, evil as all hell, but beautiful!

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another closeup

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Happy,
What a great looking item. Any chance you could post the web site? Thanks.

Andy

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Very nice dagger-looks to have been made by the same company.A big difference besides the color is that mine has the 32 nd degree eagles. Like mine though-IMO this is strictly a masonic dagger-and there is no evil or anything sinister about it whatsoever.


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#76727 01/28/2006 08:58 AM
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the web address for Germanias page that this masonic dagger is on is
http://www.germaniainternational.com/kweapons3.html
I thought it particularly interesting that George Bush is a member of some skull and bones society .. Not that that really has anything to do with the dagger .. It is unique as is the one you have .. It appears that it is for sale also..

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#76728 03/06/2006 12:33 PM
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Houston,
Found this at an antique show this weekend, a miniature Knights Templar sword which I never knew existed, Its about the lenght of a miniature Luft sword (10 inchs). Cool

Andy

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#76734 03/06/2006 02:29 PM
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Very nice Andy-I have never seen one either.


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