UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum 1st sa opinions please

this is my impulse buy today , maker c remsheid&co REMEVE , scabbard has had a repaint but imho everything else looks good , you knowledgable comments good or bad will be much apreciated, i just hope i didnt go out of my comfort zone prematurely with this one

more pics will come this evening my pic resizer is crap.

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Looks ok to me will are you are you coming over to our side

Looks good to me as well.

thanks guys , i'm usually a bayo collector and generally shy away from daggers , but i had to have this one ! it really is in good shape

Nice looking original SA, any pictures of the scabbard?

Ian

www.simplydaggers.co.uk

Congratulations with your first SA, it is a fine piece and hopefully the start of collection of SA daggers

Smart move also, in my opinion: the current slow market conditions permit to buy at good prices. This might be the final opportunity to build a large collection...

Best greetings,

Herman

here is the scabbard , nice repaint as it is , unknown when it was done , has someone tried to nskk this ?

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Hi Will,

If the black paint is period it is a legit NSKK. If the black paint is obviously recent (hard to tell from the pics) then it could well be either an SA (or NSKK) that has been touched up. If you have a small screwdriver undo the bottom scabbard fitting (2 screws) and have a look what colour the scabbard is underneath.
Nice looking dagger whatever.
Best wishes,
Ian

www.simplydaggers.co.uk

i will Ian , Ill have a look , whoever did this paint job , absolutely knew what to do , i cant tell the difference , love your site btw

bard is black all over
regards
will.

Hi will , it is what it is . a nice piece i wouldnt worry if its repaint

Thanks Rob.

With early NSKK sometimes it's impossible to tell if the paint is original. There is no "factory standard" to compare to , since these scabbards were painted by the owners and one can see big differences in quality. Some are crude brush jobs, but some are really great. The NSKK men were often qualified mechanics with access to professional workshops and painting spray devices were known and used in Germany at that time. I would say they were often used, see the camo patterns of the Wehrmacht vehicles. Also "under the fittings" test is not always sufficient. If we can disassemble the scabbard, so could the NSKK men before they started to paint the shell.

you can see the early nskk´s with brown color under the black paint. these are the pieces, that where painted due to the new rules concerning the painting of the scabbard. the early nskk´s are painted sa´s. the later ones do have factory painted black scabbards and normaly you can see, if it is original or not, when you have it in your hands.

this pics are not clear enough. while the dagger ist restored (heavy polishing to the blade) it may be not period painted. an early one with gaumark should normaly have brown color under the black painting. with this heavy used condition, you shall see some brown color under the black paint. so i think it´s not period repainted.

the dagger does not get better by disassembling it imho. p40

Some early NSKK daggers scabbards have it's original brown finnishing period removed by professionals before black paint was applied. Presence of brown colour under black or not don't determinates if black paint is period or not. Various skills of work may be find on the scabbards period repainteds.

Regards,

Ricardo

even if some early ones are painted professionaly, it doesn´t make any sense to remove the brown enamel down to the scabbard body, because this causes more work than necessary. you better use the solid enamel as a base for the new black paint.

there are always unusual, not textbook daggers and parts. shure, the absence of brown color is not a 100% method. having the opportunity of seeing the scabbard with your own eyes is the best method

Early SA/NSKK dagger's scabbards has originally brown anodized finnishing, brown enamel was applied only on SA late RZM models. Some anodized scabbards finnishing was in bad conditions when the Lutze instructions to repaint scabbards in black was issued.



Is natural to think that professional work included damaged anodized finnishing remotion before black enamel was applied.

I agree with P40, the best way to determinate finnishing originality is close examination.

Regards,

Ricardo