#74397
07/15/2006 06:18 PM
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Hi all - I picked these up from the same seller. The top one I think is aluminum; the other all magnetic and heavy. They look good to me, but I'd appreciate any thoughts you may have on them.
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#74398
07/15/2006 06:19 PM
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Would the lightweight one have been made in the 1930's, and the other earlier?
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#74399
07/15/2006 06:22 PM
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I don't know if I've seen a catch like this before. Thanks for any opinions. - Bob
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#74400
07/17/2006 07:55 PM
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BadBob,
Believe it or not, I think that being able to identify good from bad Verwundeten Abzeichnung would be a minor miracle of sorts. Somehow I feel that these may have been one of the most inexpensive and widely-reproduced German badges there is, nothing exact, but just a hunch..?
It would be great if one of our collecting friends would enlighten us all on these WWI/Weimar pieces. I have a black one around here somewhere I'll photograph and post additionally. I'd imagine the pin assemblies and catches are what will tell us the most..?
I hope some of the gents from the medals forum can pitch in and lend us a hand? Anyway, we'll give 'er a go, eh?
Best regards!
Bill
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#74401
07/18/2006 08:13 AM
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Gents, Here's another example - yea or nay? Bill
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#74402
07/18/2006 08:14 AM
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#74403
07/18/2006 10:56 PM
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Wish I could be of help, but I can not. I finally forked over a few dollars and acquired a black one but I have little faith in it. --dj--Joe
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#74404
07/19/2006 04:31 AM
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There are 5 different types of these WW1 badges, and all have different measurements, weights and could be made from different materials!.. For me when in steel,,if the detail is there and its a good heavy gage steel its fine. All the badges here seem to be either type 2 or type 3,,a little hard to tell from photos. The measurements on the 2 types are pretty close. Biggest difference [according to Hamelman's WB book] would be in the width of the bow,,type 2 = 10.20 and type 3= 9.20...,G.
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#74405
07/19/2006 10:12 PM
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My example, obverse. --dj--Joe
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#74406
07/19/2006 10:16 PM
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Reverse. --dj--Joe Magnetic, some rust shows here and there. A spot of brazing on the round wire C shape catch. (Detail is sharper than the images show. My scanner has an aversion to some of my attempts).
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#74407
07/19/2006 10:30 PM
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Gaspare, does the shape of the helmet factor in on the different types? We are refering to issue badges, correct?
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I wonder if any of the plainer pin back issue style were available as private purchase as opposed to the cut out options and the silver marked badges and the screw backs.
How is Hammelmans WB book in your opinion? Does it detail a way to differentiate between WWII period production? I seem to recall an L/ marked piece, but otherwise?
Bob, good photography!
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#74408
07/20/2006 04:45 AM
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Joe, Hamelmans book is excellent. Covers ALL aspects of the badge from 1914 to 1957, even the infamous 'Chaplains' badge and the 20 July 1944 pieces. Really, everything, boxes, docs, pins, KM type and specs on all. Quick and right to the point, an easy read and more important written easy to remember!
Seems like these WW1 badges anything went. Cut outs, screw backs, silver / gold plating. If you had the money you could get whatever you wanted..
WW1 badges the variations are in - helmet shape/rivets,,pebbling,,swords and bows..
Joe,If the pebbling on yours is on the flat side it looks to be the type 3 badge. ,G.
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#74409
07/20/2006 08:57 AM
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Gaspare and Joe,
Thanks for the additional insights pics and info!
Turns out the one I posted is also entirely steel-based, to include the pin assembly and catch.
Is the catch with the foot/base that BadBob posted illustrated in the book?
Gracias!
Bill
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#74410
07/20/2006 04:31 PM
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Bill, the catch seems vaguely familiar but I have not come across it as yet. Gaspare, thank you for the information. The pebbling on my example is indeed somewhat flat. I shall place that book on my to look for list. Regards,--dj--Joe
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#74411
07/20/2006 05:08 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Gaspare: All the badges here seem to be either type 2 or type 3,,a little hard to tell from photos. The measurements on the 2 types are pretty close. Biggest difference [according to Hamelman's WB book] would be in the width of the bow,,type 2 = 10.20 and type 3= 9.20...,G.
Gaspare, I think the measurements you've quoted here are really just referring to random badges. I think the 5 examples on page 3 are just to show the range in size of the badge; they aren't meant to correspond with the 5 "Types" on page 4 & 5.
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#74412
07/20/2006 05:13 PM
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quote: Originally posted by WWII: Is the catch with the foot/base that BadBob posted illustrated in the book?
Gracias!
Bill
Hi Bill - No catches are illustrated. Just a paragraph mentioning various configurations. - Bob
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#74413
07/20/2006 06:46 PM
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Hope this doesn't muddy the waters too much more, but here's my other two. Both from sellers I believe are honest and know their stuff.
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#74414
07/20/2006 06:48 PM
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Both with the simple, bent wire catch.
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#74415
07/20/2006 06:53 PM
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All magnetic except for the catch on the black one, which looks like brass. - Bob
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