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#74290 04/22/2009 09:11 AM
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This came in to the Reno Show last weekend.

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Serge - CONGRATS! You got 2 neat TN Patches, to add to your growing collection, called TN-to-HEER Patches. (In use from Jan, 1942 - some time in 1944.)

I've only seen the SUPER Robert Noss Photo of a Heer Soldat wearing the patch, on his right upper sleeve.

The Heer units that were made up of former TN • TeNo men were named Technischen Truppen. (As the war wore on, maybe some technically qualified, & perhaps Non-TN men were taken in, but I really don't know for sure.) The TN had proven to be so valuable in Poland, and then in the West - that the Heer decided to form a "Technical Army" from TN men, starting in mid 1941.

The Heer Technischen Truppen were lead by Oberst Eric Hampe (who was titled General of the Technischen Truppen). He had been the #2 man in the Technische Nothilfe (TN) from 1919-1941! (So, I believe that he would have 'preferred' to have former TN men in his 'Technical Troop Army' if given a manpower choice!)

After WWII, Eric Hampe wrote several books, one titled "THE UNKNOWN ARMY" - specifically about the experiences & use of the Heer Technischen Truppen. He became the head of W. German Civil Defense, and retired with the highest honors of the Bundesrepublic.

NICE Patches Serge! Keep it up! .... Txs, Dave/dblmed

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#74292 04/22/2009 05:53 PM
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Wow Dave!
Thanks for all that info. You are our resident TENO MAN! Wink

Best Wishes,
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#74293 04/24/2009 05:32 AM
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Thanks Serge, ........ It's always fun to share our latest 'Great Finds' of each of our individual areas of special Collecting interest.

I think that we all probably started out as 'German Generalists' collecting ANYTHING WWII that luckily came our way. Then, after some passage of time (many Years, in my case.) WHAM! it hits us - I 'probably' can't find, afford & collect it ALL, so what interests me the most? Like the great area of Polizei, or a smaller ancillary Polizei group, like the TeNo • TN or the SCHUMA. Then, the search is on! TR 'documentary' type information (like the TN-to-HEER Patch publication) fascinates me, as it serves to 'confirm' some of what we 'think we know' - as well as flip us upside down, when finding out about so much that we "don't know" - but can learn from carefully searching these types of sources.

Gary's Post above, got me thinking about the 1919-1923 TeNo Cuff Titles. I have the 1920 & 1922 TN Cuff Titles in my Collection (so, I have to 'assume' that these 2 years are the most common?) I have never even seen ALL 5 years, but I am sure that some lucky collector has them! I've only examined about 12 of these Cuff Titles, and ALL (that I have seen), and which are full length, are marked with the GES. GESCH. and G & W, a yet Unknown Maker.

The TN Cuffs are quite attractive, using a bright Gold Wire Thread for the Date Year, and 3 Laurel Leaves on either side, placed upon a black cloth base.

For some yet unknown reason, the TN HQ, the RATN, Reichsamt Technische Nothilfe, issued an order in about mid 1936, stating that the Honor Cuff Band was to be worn in place of the TN Honor Badge, which had ONLY been released / 1st awarded on Oct. 1, 1935! (But, that the Honor Badge could be kept by the recipient.) I haven't seen an Award Document (Urkunde) for TN Cuff Band itself, and don't know if such exists. (More information to search for!)

These TN Cuff Titles are MUCH less commonly found than are the TN Honor Badges, which are not that common (with only about 5,350 TN HB's thought to have been issued, per TR documentation.) So, it would seem that the same number of TN Cuff Titles should have also been issued. But, where are they? I don't seem to be able to find them!! Keep on the look-out for TN Cuff Titles!

Below are 2 of the 1920 TN Cuff Titles, showing the Front and Reverse, and an Enlargement of the GES. GESCH. G & W maker. .... Txs, Dave/dblmed

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#74294 05/11/2009 07:35 PM
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Holy Smoke...I just saw this on The Old Brigade's site. Eek
Never seen one for sale. And MINT in the Box...The TENO Officers Brocade Belt and Buckle! Eek Eek

Dave...did you get this one? I hope you did. Wink
Does anyone know what it went for?

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VERY RARE TENO OFFICERS BROCKADE BELT AND BUCKLE WITH ORIGINAL STORAGE BOX. This is an extremely rare brocade belt,this being the 1st example for a Teno officer that I have owned.Silver aluminum polished buckle feature's the Teno eagle clutching a swastika which bears the letter TN,the reverse of the buckle is maker marked with the Assmann letter A,The brocade belt is also in beautiful condition and it is complete with matching brocade belt slidders,the belt features silver brocade with two dark blue strips which almost appear black.The reverse of the belt is backed in matching dark blue wool,the leather tab is marked 93.The belt is complete with the original red leatherette circular storage box,the box shows age but it has certainly protected the belt which is mint.Purchased privately together with a set of Teno brocade dagger hanger which are also featured on my site for sale separately.-------THIS ITEM IS NOW RESERVED---------- [Condition: Mint]
Code: 31555 Price: £0.00

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Who got this rarity????

Probably the only one with it's original box?


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First time I've seen one .That is one nice looking buckle


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#74297 05/12/2009 09:57 AM
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The TN Silver Buckle & Brocade is quite a BEAUTY!!! The box for
holding it, just adds to the allure.

I imagine that a Buckle Collector (?perhaps a TN Collector) nabbed
this Spectacular Item - as it looks to be near Mint / Unused.

These Silver TN Buckle / Brocade sets seldom come up for sale. The
last one that I saw for sale was $8.5 K, and it sold quickly!

Colonel's Closet (Dan) showed us his SUPER example, earlier in this
thread. So, all told, that's about 6-7 in 'known' collections. (There
are more out there, they just haven't been 'discovered' yet! IMO)

Thanks Serge for showing us this one! ... Txs, Dave/dblmed


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#74298 05/25/2009 05:40 AM
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A super & Rare TN Einsatztruppe Uniform was recently posted at:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=31362&st=160

Some great Questions came up, which gives insight into this Rare Uniform Type. The best Answers
to the questions are to be found in Photos, IMO, as they show "How it really was!"

Q: "Did the Cufftitle come into existence in 1940 or later? All of the of 1941 photos I've seen the TN
member is not wearing the CT."

I'll have to say that I don't remember the exact date of introduction of the TN Cufftitle, but hopefully
it will be found in one or the other, of the 2 books. It was prior to 1940, by my recollection. (This is a great "HPT" type of Question, regarding dates of regulations!!!

The TN Cufftitles are seen in many of the 1941 Photos (I am very lucky to have 7 TN FotoAlbums!),
but the CT's do seem to 'fade' out in 1942, and later for the TN Enisatztruppen. The reason is that
from May, 1941 on, 'most' of the TN Enisatztruppen were transferred to the HEER as the "Technische Truppen"
under Eric Hampe. They gradually 'lost' their identity as former TN-men, with the exception of the
rarely photographed 1942 TN-to-Heer Rt. Sleeve Patch and an even more seldom seen Black "T" on a
strap to be placed across the Shoulder Boards.

Here is an April, 1941 Photo w the TN Cufftitle in place (on the Lt. TN-Soldat) .....Dave/dblmed

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"...I saw the comment on the shoulder board rank, so it brings into question Littlejohn's statement
that "when wearing the field-grey uniform the same TN collar patch was worn on both sides of the collar,
as well as TN shoulder straps/boards".

YES, it is confusing. The TN Regulations, as of 1941 did state the above - BUT, this was NOT followed
to the letter in 1941, or later, as period Photos show.

Here is a Feb, 1941 TN Einsatzgruppen Photo where NO ONE at All, is wearing Collar Patches!

..............Dave/dblmed

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More of the TN Einsatzgruppen 'Inconsistent' wearing of TN Collar Patches.

1) The LT. 1st, 2nd & 3rd TN-Men have a Blank TN RT. Patch & a COG on the LT. Patch.
2) The LT. 4th & 5th TN-Men have NO Collar Patched, on either collar.
3) The TN-Mann at the Far RT. has a Blank RT. Patch & a Blank LT. Patch.

So, the inconsistent use of TN Collar Patches is quite evident.

(• Note that the LT. 1st, 3rd and 5th TN-Men are wearing the TN Cufftitles, so there they are again.)

Apr 41-TN-Einsatz-Truppen Photo ..... Dave/dblmed

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#74301 05/25/2009 05:48 AM
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"Littlejohn states the field-grey Wehrmacht / Heer type tunic was for wear only in occupied
countries and Not worn in Germany (pg 479)."

Yes, that was probably written as the 'early' TN Regulations, but again, this was not followed,
as multiple period TN Photos confirm.

Here is a December, 1943 Hamburg TN Photo at a TN Headquarters (there were several), of
Bereitschaftführer Klindt, clearly wearing a Field-Grey TN Uniform. (That is inside Germany!)
(I have his Albums from France in 1940-41 to Russia in 1941-43, and back to Hamburg in 1943)

This 1943 TN Photo is especially revealing, as it gives us a glimpse of the TN of that date, as:
1) Klindt and the TN Officer over his LT. Shoulder, wear NO COGS on their Collar Patches.
2. The TN-Mann above Klindt wears NO Collar Patches, at all!
3. There are 3 TN-Men wearing the TN White Work Uniform, but they wear the Early TN Blue
Sidecaps.
4. The TN EM Standing, wearing the TN Field-Grey Greatcoat (5 buttons / side) also is wearing
the Early TN Blue Sidecap, when he 'should' be wearing the Field-Grey Sidecap.
5. The man, 2nd from LT. is Luftschutz, which was closely aligned with the TN.

Lots to see here, in addition to "TN Field-Grey WAS worn inside of Germany" ... Dave/dblmed

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"....Also, were the EM/NCO's authorized to carry sidearms? I see Officer's were authorized in 1938."

Yes, as this 1941 Photo shows.

Also of interest, in this Photo:
1. Wear of the Ultra, Ultra-Rare TN Field-Grey Sidecap, with TN Piping ! (I've never seen one of these!...)
2. No Wear of Collar Patches.
3. TN Cufftitle is visible on LT. ....................Txs, Dave/dblmed

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#74303 05/25/2009 05:53 AM
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This photo is 'by the Reg's Book' and shows TN Einsatz Soldaten wearing the MATCHING Double Collar
Patches. (So, sometimes the TN did it the correct way as well.)

The 3 TN-Men on the RT. are the same as the Tunic, with the Rank of TN-Mann.
It is very interesting to see the TN Double COGS Collar Patches, in this 1941 Foto.

PHOTO is August, 1941-TN-Dbl-COGS in Russia ...(Note - TN Cufftitles in wear)

It will be Interesting to see of Photos the Rare TN Einsatzmann TUNIC,
when it is Posted! .......... Best, Dave/dblmed

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#74304 06/21/2009 01:52 AM
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TeNo Nickle Silver Visor Eagle (of 1935)

We've seen this majestic Adler before, but some newly found
TR period information, about it has come to light.

(Eagle, courtesy of the RonR Collection.)

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#74305 06/21/2009 01:58 AM
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TeNo Nickle Silver Eagle - from the TN Verordnungsblatt of 3.1935

Through the kind courtesy of Wim. Saris, who provided a copy of this period
reference, we can now see documentation of the TeNo 1935 Visor Eagle, which
was announced on February 27, 1935.

The publication shows the fine detail of the TeNo Nickle Silver Eagle! The
'cut-out' 3 arms of Swastika are clearly shown. It is fantastic documentation to be able to see this original announcement for the 1935 TN Eagle!
(Many Thanks to Wim. Saris!)

Also of great Collector interest, is that the "Oak Leaf" Mützenkranz (NOT the later Laurel Leaf, more familiar type) was Specified, to be constructed of the
'Neusilber' (German Silver / Nickle Silver) - the SAME as the TN Eagle!
(I have not seen an example of the Neusilber "Oak Leaf" Mützenkranz - Yet!)
......Txs.... Dave/dblmed

(I have resized the original VBlatt page, to better show the TN Eagle.)

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#74306 06/21/2009 02:12 AM
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TeNo-Police Foto # 1 (Courtesy of Gary9)

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TeNo-Police Foto # 2 (Courtesy of Gary9)

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TeNo-Police Foto # 3 (Courtesy of Gary9)

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Gary does have the uncanny ability to find the MOST Unusual & Interesting Photos! He kindly sent these to me, for Posting. TeNo-Police Fotos, just don't get better than these! Txs, Gary!

TeNo-Police Foto # 1 - shows a TN-Pol. man in the late war Police Green Uniform, with the 'SS-Like' matching collar tabs, & the 'Police-Type' Shoulder Boards.

What is fascinating here, is that the BLACK color of the Collar Tabs & underlay of the Shoulder Boards - can be seen, as a very distinct Color Difference, from the MEDIUM BROWN color of the inner braids of the Shoulder Boards! A great Photo!

He wears an M-43 cap with sewn-on Polizei insignia, which is proper.

(Olmutz, in the lower RT. corner, also confirms a known late war TeNo area of assignment.)

TeNo-Police Foto # 2 - another Super photo, with the Polizei uniform & matching 'SS-Like' Collar Tabs. Taken at Olmutz, but with the added date of 1944. (The somewhat longer size of these tabs, is an interesting subject of discussion!) Black TN-Police eagle is just barely seen. Neat.

TeNo-Police Foto # 3 - Best for Last! A wonderful full view of a TN-Pol. NCO - complete, with:
...Police Green Uniform
...Matching 'SS-Like' Collar Tabs
...Black Sleeve Eagle
...TN "Traditions" Cog Raute Diamond, on lower left sleeve
...M-43 cap, with partial Polizei Emblem seen

But, MOST Significant - is the SIGN! This photo is taken in front of a RATN (Reichsamt Technische Nothilfe) HQ, or location. The sign also refers to a specific "Komp." of the RATN (but, I can't ID it.)

The collecting community only recently became aware of these RATN (and other TN) Units, which remained under Polizei (and TN) command, until the end of WWII, through Hugh Tayor's outstanding coverage in TN Chapter 19 of "German Police, Vol. 2!" This is a GREAT Photo, Gary!

Many Thanks to Gary9, for sharing these 3 Special Photos! ...Dave/dblmed


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Hi Soldaten / Mike - I 'snatched' your TeNo-Police Tunic off of Flicker, and resized them for the Thread, so that they are easier to See. CONGRATS! You do indeed have a quite rare TeNo-Police Tunic!

It matches with ALL which I've seen on Forums (only 2) & ALL which I have personally examined (another 2) - so yours makes only 5 of these TeNo-Police Tunics. (As are currently Known to the Forums, but also 'probably' a very few may also exist in other Collections.)

TeNo-Police Tunic - FRONT .... Posted for Soldaten

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TeNo-Police Tunic - effective use of June 1, 1943-May 8, 1945

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TeNo-Police Tunic - effective use of June 1, 1943-May 8, 1945

TeNo-Police Tunic - INTERIOR - FULL .... Posted for Soldaten

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Just got this nice 'gilt' TENO bevo sleeve insignia .

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..and the backside .

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Bernd - What a GREAT TeNo Sleeve Insignia Addition to your Collection!
It it the 1st one which I've seen attached to Uniform cloth, as a 'Cut-Off' - which makes it Extra Special!

This is the 1942-1944 TeNo-to-Heer "Recognition Sleeve Emblem" - worn on the Right Sleeve of the Heer Uniform.

There is a GREAT Photo of it, In-Wear, from a Super Robert Noss photo in "German Pol. Vol. 2." It's Only the 2nd In-Wear Photo of this Sleeve Emblem that I've seen.
Congrats! ... Dave/dblmed


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1st Model TN Visor Insignia

Through specifically Collecting & Studying the TeNo • TN for the past 10+ Yrs., I’ve seen a lot of Items & have learned from each of them. However, TeNo Collectors have learned the Most in only the last 3-4 years - both from Other Collectors & from 4 newly published Great Books! These TeNo ‘must read’ Books are:

• Dr. Andreas Linhardt’s “TN in the Weimar Rep.”
• Jerome/Nix’s “Uniformed Police”
• Littlejohn/Saris’ “Defending the Reich” and
• Angolia / Hugh Page Taylor’s “German Police, Vol. 2.”

Previously, we were left ‘wanting more’ as their were only 2-3 pages on the TeNo in the Davis Books, & a few others. The TN knowledge base has come a Long way, in a Short time – due to these noted outstanding books & also due to Collector Interest. From All of the above, I 'believe' that Understanding of the Changes (& Variations) of TeNo Visor Insignia - is pretty ‘well’ Documented & it is much clearer. These changes of the ‘Cloth & Metal Mützenkranz & Eagle’ Insignia of the TN Headgear, is a great subject for the Study & Discussion of their Evolution, from 1932-1945, IMO.

As Collectors - for Each Item which we collect – We’d like to Know:
• What the Item is? & Does it have any specific name(s)?
• Are there any known Variations?
• Why was it Authorized / Issued?
• What was the Time-frame that it was used?
• What was its Construction & any special Characteristics?
• If there is Period Documentation / Photos, of its being worn?
• & – Anything else that we can learn about each Item!

Hopefully, the following Posts will help in the understanding of the time line of the TeNo • TN Visor Insignias (& their Variations.)

1st Model TN Visor Insignia - is the very 1st known TN Headgear Insignia.

• INSIGNIA - The Insignia was a Dunkelblau wool Oval Patch, with "TN" in Bullion, in the center; surrounded by Bullion stylized leaves; (? ‘looks’ like Oak Leaves?) & then a fine Bullion double edging rim was applied. (No distinction between an Officer's model Oval vs. an EM/NCO’s model Oval has been found, in TR Literature, Fotos or in Examples). The TN Oval was worn on a Dunkelblau Visor with a Leather Chin-Strap (for All Ranks) - above a simple Circular Cocquard. This Oval model was 'officially' in use from 1933-1934. (Since these Ovals were hand-embroidered – many variations are seen.)

• INTRODUCTION DATE - Officially - the Visor OVAL was first mentioned in the “Mitteilungen der Technischen Nothilfe, June 1933.” (Thanks to Wim. Saris for this information.) Along with the article, came an advertisement from Robert Lubstein (EREL) showing the new Nothelfer visored cap. See also “Vol. 2 German Police,” pages 545 & 546. However, in contrast to the above date, I have a Foto of Landesführer der TN, Gustav Curtze, wearing the TN Oval Insignia, & dated 1932. Perhaps some of the TN High Officers got the Oval ‘Early’ [1932]? – or - the date on the Foto is incorrect?

The first ‘Documented & In Color’ drawings of the Type 1 Insignia (& TN Uniforms) are found in "Uniformfibel" by the artist, Knötel, & which is dated as December 1933. All of this helps with the time line of the Type 1 TN Insignia. … Txs, Dave/dblmed

ATTACHMENT
• 2 Examples of the 1st TN Cloth Bullion Oval, &
• Photo of TN Landesführer Gustav Curtze, wearing the TN Oval
Insignia (& TN Armscheibe). Photo is dated, 1932.

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TeNo Visor Insignia - TYPE 2

[2nd TN Visor Insignia - with In-Wear Photos]

The 2nd Type of TN Visor Insignia was made of Metal, instead of Cloth. [The only 2 examples which I have examined, are made of Aluminum – but I ‘believe’ that it is reasonable to also expect to find Nickel Silver examples, based up this time frame, when NS was also in common use.]

This Insignia Type was the 1st TN Insignia of the Third Recih & thus it incorporated the Swastika, which was Rotated on end (45°), as the Central background. The letters “TN within a surrounding Cog Wheel” (of 15 Cogs) was centered over the swastika [There are No spokes within the Cog Wheel.] This Emblem was placed within a symmetrical Wreath (Mützenkranz) of 4 Oak Leaves w 3 Acorns, on each side. The TN Insignia was produced by Assmann, & it is shown in their Catalog as a “Ges. Gesch.” model.

This 2nd Type of TN Visor Insignia was introduced about June 1934, slightly ahead of the July 4, 1934, introduction of the TN Gorget & Flag. The TN Visor itself remained unchanged, except that a twisted 'chin cord' was added for Officers. It is 'believed' to have been Silver colored – w a Golden color for the top 3 ranks. EM/NCO’s continued wearing the leather chin cord.

Since the “Wreath with Swastika/Cogwheel” Insignia was officially worn for less than 1 year – this accounts for its rarity. …. (I'm still Looking for one!) Txs, Dave/dblmed

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• The 2nd TN Visor Insignia & 2 in-wear Photos.

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3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.A (Early)

Next comes the rather ‘Complex’ 3rd Type of TN Visor Insignia. I try to never ‘disagree’ with “Fellow Collectors / Teachers / Mentors / Authors” – but, Instead to present them with ‘New & Documented’ Information, & then let everyone decide for themselves! It’s our Hobby - & Collecting should Always be fun & educational!

• 1935 TN EAGLE - ANNOUNCEMENT: Hugh Page Taylor, in “Police, Vol. 2” noted on page 552, that the Interior Minister, on January 25, 1935, awarded the TN with the honor to wear its own special Visor Emblem (Hoheitsabzeichen). [IMO, this reasonably would ‘Not’ have been done, without having 1st approved a Drawing, or a Model, of the actual TN Visor Eagle design.]

The official Announcement of the 3rd TN Visor Insignia [3.A] is found in the ‘TN Verordnungsblatt’ of February 25, 1935 (published in March). In reading this ‘TN Verordnungsblatt’ issue, & it specifies that this “new TN Eagle” was to be made of NICKEL SILVER, & that the manufacturer was ASSMANN. From this Documentation, we are now Positive, that the 1st TN Eagle was a NICKEL SILVER one!

The TN ‘Verordnungsblatt’ of March 1935 also states:.... “…Order concerning the wearing of the national TN emblem: The national emblem for the TN is to be worn in the upper middle of the service cap (Dienstmütze) for the TN. Beneath this, upon the cap band, the Neusilber Oakleaf-Wreath [Mützenkranz] is attached with the [centered] Black-White-Red cocqarde…”

• OAK LEAF & NOT LAUREL LEAF 1935 TN MÜTZENKRANZ: Thus, there is the Specific Designation of an Oak Leaf Mützenkranz [& made of Nickel Silver] and NO Mention of the later found, much more common, TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz.

The same style Oak Leaf Mützenkranz turns out to be a ‘standard’ ASSMANN pattern, which was also used for other Organizations. (It is shown in the in Catalog in an Aluminum model configuration.) Based upon this information, one could ‘postulate’ that TN Visors of Late 1935 & 1936 could be found with a combination of NS Eagle & either a NS “Oakleaf” Mützenkranz – or – an Aluminum “Oakleaf” Mützenkranz. [This information makes Collecting TN insignia just that much more interesting & challenging!]

• 1935 TN EAGLE – of NICKEL SILVER: This 1935 Nickel Silver TN Eagle is a VERY Special one, & it is seldom encountered by us, as Collectors. It is easily distinguished by the Rotated Swastika; heavy Weight; the “Cut-Outs” of the lower 3 arms of the Swastika & the Fine Detail of the Eagle’s Wings, Body & Head (w No ‘Hood’ around the head).
• WHY is the NS Eagle so, so RARE? I believe that you’ll see the Answer in the next Post ! !)

I was very fortunate & acquired an ASSMANN Co. Salesman’s Sample board, which nicely shows various TN Metal Insignias. On this Board is the 3rd TN Visor Insignia 3.A w NS Eagle + Oak Leaf Mützenkranz + Cocquard.

For the sake of having a Reference, let’s ‘Classify’ this Model as the 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.A (Early). From the available information, there also may ‘reasonably’ be SubTypes 3.A1 (w a Nickel Silver “Oak Leaf” Mützenkranz) & 3.A2 (w an Aluminum “Oak Leaf” Mützenkranz). …..Txs, Dave/dblmed

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ASSMANN Sample Board – 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.A (Early)
Photo of TN Landesführer Walther Junecke wearing this Set. (Very clear, when you Look for the “Cut-Out” Swastika & the Oak Leaf Mützenkranz!) Dated 1935 on Photo, on the lower RT. Corner.

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TeNo Visor Insignia TYPE 3.A w NICKEL SILVER Eagle

As noted in the above Post, the ‘TN Verordnungsblatt’ of February 25, 1935 (published in March) specified that the “new TN Eagle” – was to be made of Nickel Silver, AND that the manufacturer was ASSMANN.

It is both Interesting & it’s Historically Significant to actually ‘See’ this TR Publication & it adds to Collecting Interest to review the Details of the Front & Reverse of this seldom seen TeNo Nickel Silver Visor Eagle.

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‘TN Verordnungsblatt’ announcement of the TN Nickel Silver Eagle [February 25, 1935 (published in March)] + the Front & Reverse of the TN Nickel Silver Eagle.

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3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.B (Middle) – ALL Nickel Silver Model - for BOTH the Eagle & the ‘Newly Introduced’ Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz

The TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz, in Aluminum, is the one which is most frequently encountered by Collectors – But, it had an earlier Variant, in NICKEL SILVER. This Type 3.B (Middle) Example of the 3rd TN Visor Insignia, may be something NEW, to manhttp://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/ga/ul/573101032/inlineimg/Y/TN-Visor-Insig-3B-NSsm.jpgy Collectors. I actually ‘learned’ about this Type 3.B Variant by 1st finding an Example of it - & - then by Confirming it indirectly, from reading Wim. Saris’ great book “Aguillettes” - which I had purchased Only for the TN section. [I found the book to be so interesting, that I couldn’t put it down. Super Book – Buy It for your TR Library!]

As I was reading “Aguillettes” – there was a passage where Wim. Saris was discussing the types of metals used to make “Aguillette Tips.” I read on Page 161, Footnote # 54, & I saw that:

“ ‘Reichsangzeiger’ Nr. 101 dated May 2, 1935, with order Nr. 26 dated April 24, 1935. …Here, specifically, the forbidden materials are listed.”

This referred to Neusilber (Nickel Silver), in addition to other strategic metals. This information HIT me with a SHOCK! THIS was the information that I was missing, in order to understand more about the Variations of the 3rd TN Visor Insignia! I previously was aware - that:

  • (a). 1st there was a Nickel Silver TN Eagle, which ‘mysteriously’ started to be made of Aluminum (but When?) & that…
  • (b). An Aluminum TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz was issued (but When?) & that…
  • (c). I was aware of a very few TN Collectors who had examples of a SOLID Nickel Silver ‘Laurel Leaf’ TN Mützenkranz, which is marked ‘Ges. Gesch.’

    This led to an ‘Informed Conclusion’ regarding this piece of previously missing TN Information – i.e. WHEN, was the Laurel Leaf TN Mützenkranz ‘Authorized?

    From Wilm. Saris’ information + Collector’s examples of the actual NS Laurel Leaf TN Mützenkranz - it was NOW apparent (IMO) that the ‘Official’ date MUST have been before May 2, 1935!

    Since - After the published date of May 2, 1935 - NO MORE Nickel Silver metal could ‘legally’ be used for manufacturing Items. However, ASSMANN most reasonably would have made up ‘extra stock’ TN Insignia using NS - & - this supply could have lasted for many months, maybe even into 1936+? (depending upon the demand for the items.)

    All of this information also helped me to understand the WHY of the ‘Transitional’ SS & SA Daggers, with their strange ‘Mix’ of solid Nickel Silver vs. Plated parts - which also started in about 1935! NOW - it's starting to make some sense! The "Legal restrictions on using Nickel Silver - Stock Piles of prior to "Stop" date for using NS, manufactured 'Items' - Amount of Stock on hand & the time lag, for "Using Up" these previously made items, through Purchase Orders from end-user Insignia Dealers" is just the application of "SUPPLY & DEMAND" for specific Items.

    The “Confirmatory Proof” was then found in reading the "Verordnungsblatt der TN", Nr. 6 from June 1936 - where the material to be used for BOTH the TN Eagle & the Mützenkranz, was described as being ALUMINUM! This June 1936 "TN Verordnungsblatt”, stated:

    “…Hohe deutsche Offizierskokarde mit platischem Lorbeerkranz in aluminum, darüber das plastische Hoheitszechen der TN, aluminium geprägt…”

    Lorbeerkranz is LAUREL! So this means that, instead of the prior Oak Leaf Mützenkranz, the 1936 Officer’s version of the ‘New’ Mützenkranz was to the Laurel Leaf Wreath [Mützenkranz] configuration, & it was to be made from Aluminum. (We also find, in numerous Fotos, that the Laurel Leaf Wreath was also used by EM/NCO’s.)

    When looking at the Dates involved, it is apparent (IMO) that Assmann got the ‘production order’ for the ‘New TN Insignia’ several ( ? 2-4+ ? ) months prior to the date of the official TN announcement. This makes production time sense & it was absolutely necessary. Assmann would have needed the few months of lead time to 1st make the new Stamping Dies & then manufacture a Supply of these ‘New’ items, which would then be readily available to distribution outlets, as of the official TN Announcement Date.

    Based upon ALL of the above “Proofs” - it is reasonable to ‘conclude’ that there was a very, very short time duration in early-mid 1936, when BOTH the Nickel Silver variation of the TN Eagle + the ‘New’ Nickel Silver Laurel Leaf TN Mützenkranz were manufactured by Assmann.

    As Concrete substantiation, below are examples of BOTH TN Nickel Silver Insignias. Thus, there was a 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.B (Middle), which is the ALL Nickel Silver Insignia – BOTH, for the Eagle & the ‘New’ Laurel Leaf Wreath (Mützenkranz). This is exciting information for us, as Collectors!

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    Front & Reverse of - ASSMANN Nickel Silver Eagle + Nickel Silver Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz – 3.B (Middle) TN Visor Insignia.

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    3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.C (Final) – ALL Aluminum Type

    The 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.C (Final) – ALL ALUMINUM Eagle + Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz, is the Insignia which most Collectors know and recognize, as being "TeNo." It is not a ‘common’ Insignia – but it’s also not a ‘rare’ one.

    • ALUMINUM TN EAGLE - As noted above, due to the imposed ‘Legal’ restrictions for the use of strategic metals (i.e. NO more use of Nickel Silver), ASSMANN was required to change to Insignia production using Aluminum [for ALL TR Insignias]. (Observation of Examples, leads to the conclusion that new Stamping Die sets were required – as the NS Mützenkranz is definitely slightly smaller than the Alum. Mützenkranz.) The TN Eagle design remained the same, BUT the stamping process using Aluminum, gave the Eagle some totally new characteristics:

    (1) HOOD: A ‘hood’ over the Eagle’s head, due to the stamping die;
    (2) LESS DETAIL: Much less distinct Head, Wings, and Body features – but still a very attractive Eagle! ! !
    (3) Swastika in-a-BOX: Most Recognizable – is that the Swastika was now in a rotated ‘BOX’ – with the lack of the prior Nickel Silver 3 “Cut-Out” Swastika arms. (Also, this feature made it a whole LOT easier for us to see the difference, in Photos!) By comparison, it is very interesting – that the Cloth / Bullion Officer’s Visor Eagles continued to be made (1936-1945) with the “Cut-Out” 3 Arms of the Swastika.

    • ALUMINUM TN Mützenkranz - The TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz design, when made of Aluminum, remained ‘essentially' the same as the NS model – BUT, with the significant differences being that:

    • Size - it is slightly larger in Width & Height.
    • Different locations of, & different numbers of, reverse securing ‘double-pins’ have been noted.
    (However, since – this Type 3.C TN Insignia was manufactured from mid 1936 – ?1942/43 or even into 1945, some changes in their production reasonably took place over this time-frame.)

    On the ASSMANN Sample board, the 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.C (Final) – ALL Aluminum Type, is also present for study.

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    ASSMANN Sample Board – with 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.C (Final) – ALL Aluminum Insignia.
    Photo (1936) of Landesführer Walther Junecke, wearing the – 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.C (Final) – dated 1936.

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    3rd TN Visor Insignia – GOLD Mützenkranz - Type 3.B.G (Middle-Gold) – ALL Nickel Silver Model

    ASSMANN Gold Mützenkranz

    For the top 3 Ranks of the TN, ASSMANN would have “needed” to manufacture a GOLD Nickel Silver Model - & Collector’s have found Examples shown that they did.

    ATTACHMENT
    ASSMANN Nickel Silver GOLD Mützenkranz + Aluminum GOLD Mützenkranz

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    3rd TN Visor Insignia – GOLD Eagle - Type 3.B.G (Middle-Gold) – ALL Nickel Silver Model

    ASSMANN Gold Eagles

    As noted previously, for the top 3 Ranks of the TN, ASSMANN would have also “needed” to manufacture a GOLD Nickel Silver Model EAGLE - & Collector’s have also found Examples shown that they did.

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    ASSMANN TN EAGLES: Nickel Silver GOLD Eagle + Aluminum GOLD Eagles

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    ASSMANN-Catalog Showing 3rd TN - Type 3.C - ALUMINUM Visor Insignia

    This page is from a reprint of the period ASSMANN Catalog which Shows the familiar 3rd TN Insignia - Type 3.C (Final) – in ALUMINUM, with the Ordering Reference Numbers.

    There may well Exist some other TN Visor Insignia SubTypes / Variations, of which I am Not aware & I would be very interested in learning about them!.......Txs, Dave/dblmed

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    ASSMANN Catalog Page for TeNo Type 3.C (Final) – ALUMINUM Visor Insignia (Reprint).

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    VERY impressive and valuable analysis. Really very well done. I applaud not only your thoroughness but also your beautifully presented findings as well. I wish the available reference books were done even half as well.

    Regards,
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    Many Thanks Bill(!) ... The real 'Fun' (& challenge) of TR Collecting is trying to make some sense of the Order & Organization & a Time-Line of use, for each of the WWII-era 'historical treasures' which we collect.

    TeNo LEFT Sleeve Armscheiben & Eagles – 4 Basic Types

    The various types of TeNo Cloth Insignia “Armscheibe / Ärmelabzeichen” which were worn on the Upper LEFT Uniform Sleeve, is a very interesting study of Transitions. As a core group of technically trained Leaders & Members, the TeNo used symmetrical & geometrically shaped insignias, from 1932-1945.

    The TeNo progressed through a series of 4 Different Armscheiben - “Logo / Emblem” Types, consisting of:

    1) Type 1.0 - CIRCLE – 1932 - 1933
    2) Type 2.0 - DIAMOND - (as a SQUARE rotated on a corner) – late 1933 – 1935. (But, was allowed to be worn until 1937.)
    3) Type 3.0 - TRIANGLE – 1935 - June 1, 1943 (the most Familiar pattern to Collectors) – but continued to worn on Blue TeNo Uniforms, until May 8, 1945.
    4) Type 4.0 - OVAL Police ‘Type’ Eagles - June 1, 1943 - May 8, 1945, (Officer & NCO/EM Models) to be worn on Only the TN-Police Green Uniform.

    A study of TeNo Armscheibe Examples reveals that each of these 4 Types (except the Circle) had Variations (which included Different Makers [#’s 2, 3, 4] & Different Color Combinations [#’s 3-4], etc.) The Type 1.0 - Circle, ‘may’ also have had variations, but it is so rare – that I have Not been able to study it in hand! There are probably Other Type Variations (of which I am Not aware) & seeing them would be Super – for learning even more about the diversity of the TeNo Armscheibe Types!

    [The words “Armscheibe” (i.e. Sleeve Disk) & “Ärmelabzeichen” (i.e. Sleeve Badge) are used in TN Literature & Charts - interchangeably, in describing these 4 Types of TeNo Upper LT. Sleeve Emblems. But, I could well be missing the True meaning, in proper German?]

    Hopefully, it will be interesting to Review & Discuss these 4 Cloth TeNo Sleeve Armscheibe Types - & to Learn from other Collectors, & to Hopefully see Different (or ‘Previously Unknown’) Examples! I happily & collegially defer to those more knowledgeable than me, for Any needed Corrections, of ‘Wrong’ dates, etc., that I may use! I think that some help may definitely be needed!)

    I will show Examples of the 4 TeNo Armscheibe Types, & their SubTypes – as well as Fotos of their ‘In Wear’ Use – where Fotos are available. … Txs, Dave/dblmed


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    TeNo Armscheibe Type 1.0 – CIRCLE

    This ‘Rarely Found’ Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe used – a CIRCLE – as the outline shape of the LEFT Sleeve Emblem. It was in use for the short time-frame of 1932-late 1933 (per Foto documentation.) But, it also was probably worn into 1934, when the ‘next’ TeNo Armscheibe, Type 2.0, was officially introduced.

    The Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe has the following Characteristics:

    • It is ‘believed’ to be made of Cotton, with the TN Emblem printed on it. (But, I am unable to confirm the material.)
    • A Surrounding COG Wheel of 16 outer Cogs & 8 inner Spokes, with the end of each of the Spokes touching the outer Wheel Circle;
    • A Central “N” – with all 8 Spokes passing through it;
    • A transverse “T” formed using a ‘Hammer Head’ (with the RT. End being Slanted) - positioned at the 12 O’clock Position & Centered above the “N” below it;

    This Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe outwardly appears to be ‘Almost the Same’ as the later used [1942-1945] Dutch TeNo (Technische Noodhulp) Armscheibe. (BUt, the Dutch TN Emblem was BeVo woven.) The two (2) Emblems are quite similar - BUT, there are some Key Differences seen between the two, which allows Collectors to Distinguish Them.

    DIFFERENCES: The Technische Noodhulp (Dutch TN) Armscheibe also has the Design of an Outer Cog Wheel of 16 Cogs & 8 Spokes, plus the Central “TN” – BUT the following Differences are seen when comparing these 2 Armscheiben. The Technische Noodhulp (Dutch TN) Armscheibe has:

    • BeVo contruction (? Cotton) - instead of being printed.
    • A Small Dark Circular Line, placed Outside of the Cog Wheel, &
    • The 8 Spokes do NOT touch the inner border of the Circular Cog Wheel, &
    • The “T” Hammer Head is positioned further to the Right, such that the Slanted End leading edge is lined up Vertically with the Right edge of the “N” below it.

    The Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe does Not have the above 4 findings.

    (The above is based upon the study of a Technische Noodhulp Armscheibe [& Fotos] as well as multiple Fotos of the TeNo 1st Armscheiben – so this is not a ‘scientific’ study - rather, these are my observations.)

    ATTACHMENT: Foto of the TeNo’s Founder, Otto Lummitzsch, with the Type 1.0 Armscheibe

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    TeNo Armscheibe Type 2.0 – DIAMOND

    The Type 2.0 TeNo Armscheibe – DIAMOND Shape, was ‘officially’ introduced about July 4, 1934, [but I have a number of Fotos of it being worn in the winter of 1933? Puzzling?] It was the 1st TeNo Sleeve Emblem of the TR. (This Type 2.0 Patch could be worn until 1937, but a gradual replacement with the Type 3.0 Patch began in 1934.)

    The Type 2.0 TeNo Armscheibe has the following Characteristics:

    • Machine ‘Woven’ (BeVo) on Square White Cotton material, which ‘folds over’ at the Reverse;
    • The TeNo Emblem is Positioned as a Diamond for wearing it;
    • Background is a Red Square;
    • Then a ‘canted / rotated’ centered Black Swastica was added, leaving Triangles at the Ends of Each Short Arm of the Swastica; & Each Long Arm goes beyond the Red Square, into the White Background;
    • Then a Central ‘Classic’ TeNo Cog Wheel, with a Centered “TN” Hammer / “N” – in White Thread; (The Cog Wheel has 15 Cogs & Not the 16 Cogs, as does the Type 1.0).

    It is just a Beautiful Multicolor Patch! (as are most things TeNo, IMO!) It was introduced at ‘about’ the same time as the TeNo Flag & TeNo Gorget (& probably other TeNo items, which I am forgetting!)

    VARIATIONS: Two (2) Maker Variations of Type 2.0 have been found (so far):
    • 2.1 BEVO-BARMEN GES. GESCH., &
    • 2.2 GES. GESCH., G & W (a yet Unidentified Maker.)

    A Number of Subtle Differences are found in comparing the Patches of these 2 makers (But – since they are ID’d with their Name, it is not so important, as in unnamed Patches!)

    DIFFERENCES: Primarily, it is that the:
    • BEVO Armscheibe has a “Thinner & Longer” Hammer Head.
    • G & W Armscheibe has a “Thicker & Shorter” Hammer Head.
    • Other ‘smaller’ differences…

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    TeNo Armscheibe Type 3.1 – TRIANGLE w Eagle

    3.1 DUNKELBLAU Color SubType (Not a BLACK Color! As is often said by some Dealers & Authors.)

    The Type 3.0 TeNo Armscheibe is the most ‘familiar’ TeNo Sleeve Patch. General TR Collectors are ‘Usually’ unaware of the other Types, but the knowledge curve is growing, thanks to recent Great Books! This Type 3.0 TeNo patch (in Dunkelblau) was introduced in 1935, but it was Not ‘Required’ to be worn as the replacement for the Type 2.0 “Diamond” until 1937. (IMO, since so much was going on within the TeNo during the early formative TR years, & since > 95% of TeNo members were unpaid Volunteers – I ‘believe’ that the extended time was wisely allowed due to financial considerations of the times.)

    The Type 3.0 TeNo Armscheibe has the MOST SubTypes & Variations of ALL 4 Types! (Probably, because it was in use for the longest time.)

    The basic Type 3.0 TeNo Armscheibe has the following Characteristics:
    • Wide Triangle Shape (Isosceles triangle with 2 shorter sides of same length – forming the ‘bottom.’)
    • Dunkelblau (Navy Blue) Cloth Construction (Wool & also of Nylon)
    • Machine ‘Woven” BeVo Type Fine Silver Wire (Aluminum) TeNo Eagle / Emblem.
    • TeNo Eagle is the same as the 1935 Metal (Nickel-Silver) Type – But, with the BIG Difference, that the Eagle’s Head faces towards it’s RIGHT Wing [which is to the Viewer’s LEFT.]
    • The Eagle is perched upon the Canted / Rotated Swastika, with the “TN” within a Surrounding Cog Wheel, Centered Inside of It - (Like the Emblem used for the Type 2.0 Armscheibe, but Not in Multi-Colors.)
    • All 4 Arms of the Swastika appear as being ‘Cut-Out’ as a part of the ‘Woven” Aluminum Wire BeVo-Type construction.

    VARIATIONS: At least three (3) Variations of Type 3.1 have been seen (So far - & I anticipate seeing other Variations!):
    • 3.1A: ges. gesch., G & W (But, WHY is the ‘g. g.’, in Small Letters, for this model?) – made as a 2 piece Patch, of a Wool Front Side & a ‘Moleskin’ Reverse – w the Maker’s Mark [in Silver Wire Thread] sewn onto a Separate Nylon Label, which is then stitched to the lower Reverse Tip. The Eagle’s LEFT Talon does NOT touch the arm of the Swastika below it. “Normal” Shaped Eagle Head.
    • 3.1B: Non Maker Marked – made as a 2 piece Patch, of a Wool Front Side & a ‘Moleskin’ Reverse – Eagle’s LEFT Talon Does touch the arm of the Swastika below it. Large “Hammer Head” Eagle.
    • 3.1C: ges. gesch., G & W – made as a 1 piece Patch, of Nylon material! Most Remarkable, is that the TeNo Eagle/Emblem is BeVo ‘Woven’ using Off-White Cotton Thread – & Not Silver Wire! The “ges. gesch., G & W” is Woven into the pattern, which is then folded over as 3 pieces, & is then hand sewn together! This is a very rarely found Type 3.1 TeNo Triangle Patch!

    ‘Führer / Officer’ Patch: Referring to this TeNo Sleeve Eagle as the ‘Führer / Officer’ Patch is Not Correct! However ‘Almost ALL’ Dealers still refer to the TeNo Armscheibe Type 3.1 – DUNKELBLAU TRIANGLE w Eagle, in Silver Metallic Thread – as the TeNo ‘Führer / Officer’ Sleeve Eagle!
    • WHY? Because in most other TR Orgs., Yes, the ‘Silver Wire’ Models of Patches were customarily designated for Officers.

    But - this is NOT Correct for the TeNo, because:
    • The 3.1 Silver Metallic Thread Triangle Patch is found on ‘untouched’ TeNo EM/NCO Uniforms (& TN Officer Uniforms).
    • The 3.1 Silver Metallic Thread Triangle Patch is found on ‘untouched’ TeNo Drill / Drillich ‘Work’ Uniforms.
    • The 3.1 Silver Metallic Thread Triangle Patch is easily ‘seen’ in period photos of TeNo EM’s & NCO’s (as well as Officers), as it has a distinctive ‘metallic’ shine to it, in sunlight.
    • The 3.1C Cotton Thread Triangle Patch is almost Never found! So, “IF” this was intended to be the EM/NCO Eagle Triangle - then Examples would be found as > 100:1 (for each “1” Silver Metallic Thread Patch) – but, they are Not.
    So, the Evidence is quite Clear – in that the 3.1 Silver Metallic Thread Patch was used for ALL members of the TN • TeNo. It was Not an “Officer Only” Sleeve Patch.

    ATTACHMENT: Type 3.1A + 3.1B + 3.1C TeNo Armscheibe BLUE EAGLE Examples

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