#72675
03/30/2008 08:04 PM
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Here is the black one, looks like a homeade job
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#72676
03/30/2008 08:05 PM
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#72677
03/30/2008 08:06 PM
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#72678
03/31/2008 06:54 AM
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Hi guys
Aleksander
Here is the snap
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#72679
03/31/2008 06:55 AM
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#72680
03/31/2008 01:28 PM
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Jim, Interesting hangers. I agree that the brown one has been modified. It looks like someone cut that slot in order to fit something like a bayonet that has a "lug" on the scabbard. Also, it's interesting to see that both yours and Pesho's snaps have the same makers mark. That could be another nice piece of information useful in determining if a hanger is authentic or not. In any event, to bad these things can't talk so that we would no the whole story about that modification.  Regarding the black hanger, I've never seen one in that color so it seems a bit unusual to me. Maybe Pesho or Alexandr can offer us their opinions. Gary
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#72681
03/31/2008 02:41 PM
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Can you believe Pesho's snap is the same maker as mine.
I personally like Alexanders in this mess.
Jim
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#72682
03/31/2008 08:46 PM
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Gary and Jim,
All Bulgarian vertical hangers which I have seen are brown colour
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#72683
03/31/2008 10:40 PM
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Incredible ! I learned something today.
It looks like a vertical hanger for a German Army dagger. Now, the challenge might be to find a photo of people wearing this.
Thanks,
Dave
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#72684
04/01/2008 03:25 AM
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I have never came across the black hanger>>Jim very interesting piece >>perhaps these were private purchase........about the snap yea my snap has different writing from you guys>....but the other second snap has the same engraving 
ALWAYS BUYING ITALIAN/ FASCIST MILITARIA > AND SOVIET DAGGERS
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#72685
04/01/2008 03:25 AM
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ALWAYS BUYING ITALIAN/ FASCIST MILITARIA > AND SOVIET DAGGERS
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#72686
04/01/2008 06:23 AM
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#72687
04/01/2008 08:10 AM
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Gays,
Sorry for the bad quality of the phote.
Here is a better ones
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#72688
04/01/2008 02:47 PM
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Hi Dave.
What a wonderful thought. A black vertical hanger for an army dagger.
Once again, the value of an item in my collection increases for insurance purposes.
Alexandeer, I would not worry about the markings on the snap. Not if i had your hanger.
Jim
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#72690
04/15/2008 12:36 PM
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Hi Jim
I don’t think that there is any connection .The medal is 4th class and cost not more that 150 Usd.
The dagger looks like original 1st model , I’m in two minds regarding the pommel and the grip.
Jim ,what is your opinion ?
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#72691
04/15/2008 07:35 PM
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I changed the link above so it will work.
Now that you mention the grip, it looks to be either repaired or very dirty. The dagger is maker marked, but the blade is well worn. The hangers are nothing special. I would say this is your basic $450 dagger.
Jim
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#72692
04/15/2008 09:19 PM
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All of these snaps are by Stocko, check the spacing and put the letters together . This firm also appears to have supplied the snaps on period German HJ knife hangers. I love these daggers by the way, gonna have to get me one of those....gorgeous.
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#72693
04/16/2008 12:53 PM
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I think the ebay dagger being discussed has been listed (without success) several times. I don't see anything special that would make it "awarded". You would think that at the very least, it would have a monogram or something personalized about it if it were that special.
Gary
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#72694
09/12/2008 04:06 PM
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here's my army with vertical hanger. The snap is Stocko marked, otherwise, unmarked dagger and leather.
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#72695
09/12/2008 04:07 PM
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#72696
09/13/2008 06:42 PM
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Beuatiful example Paul. thank you for adding to the thread.
Jim
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#72697
04/20/2009 09:14 PM
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#72698
04/22/2009 01:11 PM
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Hi,
Is there any inscription on the box please?
Some better photos from the blade and crossguard can help. I don’t like the pommel – looks like 1st model Labor’s dagger or Police officer’s dagger and definite isn’t Army’s one.
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#72699
04/23/2009 06:35 PM
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#72700
04/24/2009 09:04 AM
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Hi,
My supposition is conformed.As we can see from the photo these grip and pommel don't.Just for comparison - from left to right: Gendarmerie,Army,Police,Labor 1st model,Labor 2nd model.
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#72701
04/24/2009 09:11 AM
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Hi,
The grip and pommel don't match.I think that all other parts are Ok and only the grip and pommel don't match.
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#72702
04/24/2009 09:15 AM
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1st and 2nd model Labor pommels
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#72703
04/24/2009 01:58 PM
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I finally "got" it. The pommel is a replacement.
Jim
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#72704
05/09/2009 07:40 AM
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Makes sense guys. Although when you have it in your hand you'd be suprized how well the pommel on my dagger is made. The facts are facts so I will seek an original. Even if not so impresive
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 again funny one
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