UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SS Dagger Forum SS 285/38 original????

Hallo

Ist this dagger completrely authentic and original production?

The producer is unknown right? Produced ca.1938???

Thanks for help and grettings from Germany

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the dagger and eagle are nickel, the scabbard is laquered and the scabbard fittings are nickled metal.

the vertikal hanger is stamped SS 1/38 RZM

Ist th�s hanger authehtic??

Thank you all for you help!

Both the dagger and the vertical hanger appear to be authentic. The dagger maker is a code that does not appear in Wittmann's book. It is interesting to see that the dagger has solid nickel crossguards and eagle. That is very unusual for 1938, but I don't see anything to suggest that this is a parts dagger. I can't tell from the photos if the scabbard fittings are solid nickel or plated.

Hallo

i eventually want to buy this dagger. the seller told me the scabbard fittings are platted metall.

The code, along with at least 5 others was missed in Tom's book. It is a legit maker.

I agree.

Dave

means the wor�d "legit"

Sorry but my english is not very good...

"Legit" means good... authentic.

zhank you skyline drive

Im happy that the dagger seems to be original.

I think i gonna buy it

Fascinating 'New' Maker RZM Find! CONGRATULATIONS.....

I belive TW lists 44 Individual RZM 'Makers' on p 162 of his Book..
(TW did state, I believe, that he went through the records of the prior 10 years of Sales of RZM's - in compiling his list. He also stated elsewhere in the book, that essentially..."...No List is Complete..."

Now we have additionally, TMK, these RZM's:

1. SS 285/38 ........Just Posted (? Maker)
2. RZM M7/67 SS .....Gott. Hamm.
3. RZM M7/56 ....... Carl D. Scharff

WHAT ARE THE MARKINGS OF THE OTHER 'NON WITTMANN' FOUND RZM'S?
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Txs, Dave/dblmed

I have a RZM 7/72 1942 which has been shown here
made by Karl Robert Kaldenbach.Lakesidetrader says hes seen others by this maker

Can you post a good picture of the RZM 7/72 code ?

Thanks

Here's a few more :
M7/5
M7/83
M7/2

7/67 is a new one to me. Would like to see this one.

Paul in a previous thread by Neal Jackson (April 2006) you mentioned M68 RZM 316/40 SS
Could you clarify the exact mark you refer to
thanks Tony

The correct mark is M 7/68 RZM 1316/40/SS

Rieny, I have had a theory for a while on these RZM 285/38's.
Look at the below dagger and in particular the fittings and scabbard.
I believe that these were all made by Pack.

There are many similarities to to Pack, would you not agree?

Paul...... Great 'Eyes' .......

& a depth of knowledge in these Black Beauties..

SURE looks like the same Characteristics in both SS Daggers....

NOW... just to find a 'tagged' one at the MAX!!

Dave/dblmed

Now that would be a find!
I believe that if we conceed that 285/38 is indeed Pack and agree that 1211/39 is as well, this further strengthens the argument that these type numbers, (3 or 4 digit codes followed by a year) represent the contract numbers that were let to individual makers.

You think 285/38 is the maker E.Pack&S??

Did Pack dont have an other Code???

Hi rieny,

1211 is Pack also

Posted 24 September 2007 05:20 Hide Post
I have a RZM 7/72 1942 which has been shown here
made by Karl Robert Kaldenbach.Lakesidetrader says hes seen others by this maker.


@ AJ,you got a 7/72 by 1942?

I'd never seen an SS- Dagger after 1940.

I have always thought that the RZM numbers higher than 118 were contract numbers or something similar. The major reason is that are quite a few blades with both the higher numbers as well as the RZM codes we know. Such as M7/80 with RZM1197/38 SS underneath.

As to whether the currently unknown codes such as 120, 121, 285, etc, or the unmarked blades in the M1936 daggers, can be attributed to any manufacturer based on components or blade etches, I am open-minded but unconvinced.

From what I see on the high volume dagger types like SA/SS/Luft/Army, there was quite a bit of sharing of suppliers and even some cross-selling of components. Add to this the fact that subcontractors did specilalized work for several makers.

Dave

Skyline Drive

Posted 23 September 2007 12:41 Hide Post
Both the dagger and the vertical hanger appear to be authentic. The dagger maker is a code that does not appear in Wittmann's book. It is interesting to see that the dagger has solid nickel crossguards and eagle. That is very unusual for 1938, .......


Hello Skyline dive,

i know that the 941/38 ss has also nickelsilver eagle and crossguards and otherwise nickelplated scabbard-fittings and the screw on top also.

Gerd

Kreta 1961 yes I have a RZM 7/72 1942 SS dagger scroll down a bit on the SS forum and you will find it when I brought it back up for Dave Hohaus when he requested I show the RZM mark again

i have some new pictures for you