#71221
09/30/2006 06:57 PM
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This month I visited my son Douglas in Hamburg ,Germany,for 3 weeks and during this time we went to a small militaria show where I found these Justice Police collar tabs and shoulder boards. Posted by Bernd.
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#71222
09/30/2006 06:58 PM
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#71223
09/30/2006 06:59 PM
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#71224
09/30/2006 07:01 PM
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Shoulder board close-up .
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#71225
09/30/2006 07:05 PM
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Well, when I got home I found the following in my mail: more Police Justice collar tabs and shoulder boards from an US Militaria Auction place .
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#71226
09/30/2006 07:07 PM
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...and a close-up. Looks like the crossed swords were for a guy on horse back --or were to indicated that he was a trained rider.
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#71227
09/30/2006 07:09 PM
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...and a close-up of the green shoulder board.
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#71228
09/30/2006 07:11 PM
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...and close-up of the super nice 'Meister' board .
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#71229
09/30/2006 07:14 PM
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..and one more close-up . Hope you enjoyed these photos of these more off-beat Police items . Regards , Bernd .
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#71230
09/30/2006 07:23 PM
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I need advise on this problem : some boards have paper and thick ,clear glue on the back--as someone had glued them to a paper board ! How do I get this off---or should I just leave it alone , since it seems some of the wool will come off also . Thanks for any help with this . Bernd .
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#71231
09/30/2006 09:47 PM
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Hello,
Nice items. A field ignored by most police collectors.
That white glue will not come off without damage to the wool felt. I would advise leaving it alone. There is no solvant I know of that will remove the stuff once set. To my knowledge, and I am not current on this, conservators remove it by flaking it off with a scalpel!
Regards, W.Unland
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#71232
09/30/2006 11:30 PM
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Hello Bernd, Indeed very nice original items. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Aylson Doyle
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#71233
10/01/2006 03:39 PM
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Bernd,
I tend to agree with Bill about the glue. Physically scraping it off is the only way I know of to remove it. I would probably leave it alone.
Here is a photo of your green Justiz shoulder boards in use. Good catch in Germany!
George
"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
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#71234
10/28/2006 01:19 PM
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Bernd, very nice insignia! I've only got one pair of Justice ranks straps, somewhere, I need to find some more!
George, I recognize that sweet looking board!
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#71235
10/29/2006 06:29 PM
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Dave,
I bet you do recognize this board. Thanks!
Bernd,
Here is the other one in use.
George
"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
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#71236
10/30/2006 05:27 AM
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George,
Is that last picture of that really nice tunic you scored that came with some paperwork?
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#71237
10/30/2006 07:53 PM
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Hi, Nice looking insignia. I usually remove the glue from stuff that I pick up that was in an alblum. It does remove some of the wool surface. I use a small paint brush, some MEK solvent and a scapel/x-acto knife with a fresh blade and a lot of patience. Work on a small area at a time and get the 'feel' of how long it takes for the solvent to do it's job(if at all, depending on the adhesive used)and carfully scrape away the glue/paper. This is a personal thing and you just need to decide whether or not to 'clean' stuff or leave well enough alone. Some things should never be 'cleaned' of course.
Mike Dalton
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#71238
10/30/2006 11:04 PM
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The crossed swords emblem looks to me like it's one of those crossed swords items from the front of a modern German M43-style cap. Does anyone have one of these W.German caps with that badge for a comparison??
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#71239
10/31/2006 02:05 AM
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Dave,
Yes, that is the tunic with some documentation from the owner that you were thinking of. A very nice outfit that originally came from another forum member.
George
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#71240
10/31/2006 07:10 AM
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The crossed swords are from the early west-german army, Bundeswehr, about 1955 - 1965. Here's an officer's cap, Bergm�tze: Kind regards Robert
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#71241
10/31/2006 10:17 PM
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Robert, thanks for providing the picture of the West German mountain cap, showing the crossed swords badge.
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#71242
12/08/2006 12:54 AM
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My new acquisition Not sure what era(My feeling: afterwar)
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#71243
12/08/2006 08:48 AM
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#71244
12/13/2006 01:14 AM
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Great stuff! Where was the national emblem worn on these uniforms?
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#71245
12/13/2006 12:57 PM
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paul no national emblem was worn on the uniform, only on the cap
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#71246
12/15/2006 04:32 AM
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Mr. Libal - is the embroidery in silver or alum. wire? I'm no Police expert, but I think after the war Germany stopped using metallic threads - which means the board is moast likely pre-or early war. Others know better.....
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#71247
12/16/2006 08:25 PM
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Here are some interesting items-they may be Justice or Prison or something else. Anyone got a clue?
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#71248
12/16/2006 08:25 PM
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MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#71249
12/16/2006 08:27 PM
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MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#71250
12/16/2006 08:27 PM
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MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#71251
12/16/2006 08:28 PM
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MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#71252
12/16/2006 08:29 PM
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MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#71253
12/16/2006 08:30 PM
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MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#71254
12/16/2006 08:31 PM
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#71255
12/19/2006 11:26 PM
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Houston, I have never seen such interesting tabs. Some of them seem to have ribbon bar minitures on them. Others seem to have shoulder board pips and cyphers.
I wonder if they could be post war assembled souviers, sold to GIs?
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#71256
12/20/2006 04:29 AM
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It's very possible-all the tabs came from one old collection-but I have never seen any others-you would think there would be others around
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#71257
12/20/2006 11:34 AM
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The more I look at the insignia, the more I am convinced that they are post war assembled. Dont even think that the top few tabs are even German. They remind me of French or Belgian collar tabs. Of course, without the insignia.
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