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Just found this on a web site, hopefully I emailed him in time to get it first.

Most interesting eagle makes me wounder if there are any more out there for rialway.

Dear Gary,

Very interesting eagle. I have never seen one named to a railroad district before. Any idea why? Seems to me the local fire department would protect the train station too. I'm surprised the railroad had their own firemen too.

Since I gave up on collecting "names" and now focus on "patterns" I didn't compete with you on this one so it should be yours

Regards,
Bill Unland

Bill I can imagine with all the bombings of railways they probably needed a fire brigade.

I don't want to be a spoil sport but are you guys happy with the Eagles head and beak. Plus wouldn't it make more sense that the Railway would have it own firepolice force since they had there own police force , which did not use the the police eagle at all. They had their own style eagle...

Hello,

Yes this is a known "good" pattern of eagle often found on feuerwehr eagles. Since these things were made by hundreds of different manufacturers following basic pattern guidelines there are some REALLY odd and ugly fire eagles out there.

Regards,
Bill Unland

Bill,

In all the eagles I have and all that I have seen , this is the first straight beak eagle I have ever seen. I am sorry but I have serious doubts about this one. I am a big supporter of mom and pop industry , but still they do meet some of the same guidelines of the other eagles, I personally don't think a straight beak is one of the.
Regards

Joe

Dear Hanswurst,

Proof that these pieces of cloth are "good" or "bad" is impossible. My opinion, and that is all it is, is based on my experience and research of these. Your opinion is as valid as mine. That said I have encountered this eagle numerous times, and it doesn't bother me in the least. It has all of th manufacturing characteristics of a period produced insignia. There are far more bizarre and funny looking eagles out there, believe me.

Here are afew of the same pattern that I have collected.

Regards,
Bill Unland

Look at the birds you posted....they all have a spot at the end of their beak that goes straight down at the tip.... Some more pronounced than others but they all do as do all the birds I have ever seen.... The rr bird beak is straight No down point on the beak at all.... I cannot even think of a nazi bird that dosn't have a downward point at the tip.. luft, heer ss , kriegs...

I have doubts on this bird.........

In every one of these birds there are slight variations. This is the second time you have rubbished a bird of mine, but as of this date we have not seen any of yours.

Here are a few more that you can rubbish as fake well.

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We will try this again..... NO curve at all on the beak of the r.r. bird ie: it's straight ... UNLIKE all the birds you just posted are curved, Dosn't that seem odd to you!!! Have you ever seen any of the third riech birds without a curved beak of some kind !!! Think hard.....

I am not trashing your bird but I am pointing out what I consider to be a serious flaw in its design..

Everything about this bird is exactly the same as the rest except the beak, is this what you are saying??

Funny how the wings are the same as the rest, the oaks the leaves, the body, the neck, even the eye is the same but you say its fake, I am beggining to think you must be drunk when you look at these things, are you?? or do you just like winding me up.

Strange how the Ampfing has a straight beak the Erkelenz has a straight beak and the Schermcke has a beak coming out of the top of its head does that mean that they are all fake as well dear god.

COME on lets see some of your birds.

You know Gary this is why I really don't like to post comment against something, especially yours you can't take constructive criticism at all. If you think the Ampfling has a straight beak then you really need to take a second look , its curved in the photo.... ALL the 3rd reich birds I have seen no matter what branch they belong to (heer , army, luft, kriegs, etc, are curved.

And yes that is exactly what I am saying.....No downward point on the beak......

Dear Gary,

One more thing if you can't dicuss things like and adult please don't post back to me.... I have not call you names or ask if your drunk. I would appreciate the same from you.
joe

further sense the railraod had it own security ie: bahnschutz, dosn't it make sense they had their own fire police.... If I am wrong I will humbly apologize for that comment. I refer to the experts

Reichsbahn Feuerwehr....

About 10 years ago I sold Steve Kerby a cuff title for the Reichsbahn Feuerwehr It was of gothic lettering in machine embroidered gold thread on a dark blue wool badgecloth band.

The Reichsbahn was a huge organization with many sub-divisions. These included the rail ferry service, transfer workers at the bigger factories (these fellows loaded items onto the rolling stock)and various Fire / air protection units at the large rail years, which were almost bombed on a daily basis.

I think some units had Feuerwehr personnel who were direct employees of the Reichsbahn and wore a corresponding uniform. Others were "part time" and most likely drawn from the local Feuerwehr.

As for the eagle in question, the machine embroidery work shows outstanding detail, most likely being of multi-step production. This indeed would make the "Non-curved" beak appear odd on such a detailed example, but I think that should not be enough to condenm it. Perhaps further examination and discussion may yield further insight.

By the way, I understand that the Reichsbahn Feuerwehr cuff title was submitted to John Angolia for inclusion in one of the upcoming Police books.

Cheers

Hey john,

I would like to know if you know of any other non curved beak eagle in any third riech eagles from any organization. I have never seen one , have you???
Joe

A great eagle . . . the Reichsbah had a very well oganized Fire-Police section.

Diane,

Do you mind posting a picture of the sleeve eagle on that firepolice tunic.

thanks in advance......
Joe

Diane,

Nice display, but that eagle does look a bit low on the sleeve.

Doug

Gents,

The photo that Diane shows is from page 115 of the book, ""Die Uniform des deutschen Eisenbahners" by Henneking u. Koch published by the Eisenbahn-Kurier Verlag in 1980. There is also a similar photo of an officer uniform on a dummy with a standard bullion officer eagle as well as other older, and later, FW uniforms on dummies. I think Diane's point was to show that there was a long established Bahnhofsfeuerwehren tradition with the railways. The book points this out but does not really detail RBD FW specific insignia from the NS Zeit. It does say that the Bundesbahn had both "Werkfeuerwehren" and "Bahnfeuerwehren."

From a quick look through the book, I can see postwar specific Bahnfeuerwehr patches and insignia (karmine tabs w/Fl�gelrad) but no specific insignia for the NS Zeit. That is not to say they did not exist however, since the units existed.

George

George,

Thanks for the info is that book in english or german ??

Joe

Joe,

The book is in German.

Eisenbahn-kurier Verlag GmbH
Postfach 5560
7800 Freiburg im Breisgau

ISBN 3-88-255-825-3

George

Here is another one, this one is attached to a jacket, unfortunately the jacket is not mine.

Gary,
A world of difference between the one you posted and this one......
Joe