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E. , the fakes have that same front. But,,the stamp in band is a good old period stamp! Very strange...

This is a normal front. There are small variations...

I try a little bit later post here other edelweisse ring , like mine , but too original .
Its original ring

See this old signet ring to compare.

The crosses on the front rear are the same
The �F� plus- star- marks are the same ( dealers mark ?)
The silver marks have a little difference ; 830 and 830 S .

As far as I know is 835 a German and 835S a Danish or Norwegian silvermark.
How could we explain this.....same cross, same "dealers mark" and a different country-silvermark?

Cheers,
Benten

Benten,Along with Norwegian and Danish 'S' after content number is good for wartime Germany too.. F * [star] is also a good German wartime distributors mark.. That 'X' is more than likely some kind of gage/line up or even an approval mark..

What's weird is the front of Es ring was the design of the fakes that have been made the past few years. Currently they are making them in the more accepted design of the photo I posted.... Every Gebs ring so far I've seen that has a perfect provenance has been like the photo I posted. If you notice at the bottom of the Edelweiss there is a number 1. That's because its been exclusive that only certain members of the 1st Gebirgs Division have received this ring. There are ring award documents, mention in other documents all that these were awarded to the 1st only....

So 2 possibilities.. One is - its a fake and someone has a real stamp or copied one perfectly,,,OR,,2 is - Maybe Es ring is good and there were examples made without the '1' for the other units. This is something that definitely needs more research..,thanks, G.

Gaspare,thanks for your reply, that are two possibilities that need more research indeed.
-Maybe the ring is good as you mentioned.
-If not good.... Perhaps there is put from a fake ring,the oval front with Edelweiss on this original ring with marks and cross?
Cheers,
Benten

Here , one more edel. ring like mine .

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ring have stamp like on my ring 835 F *
And on other side have "cross"
By this ring have small size ~ about 20 mm

The ring, as well as mine takes place solderings (seam)... but on foto not good visible
P.S. bouth rings , made by a stamp, not moulding

Be very careful of the standard 1st Division version of the ring [with #1].. There is a excellent copy being offered.. Very nice,,but a little 'soft' where the 1 is...
I'll post a couple photos of it later on,,,for now check out link:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Edelweiss-Ring-Ring-deutscher-Gebirg...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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I do not exclude a fake variant (a high-quality copy)
BUT absolutly 2 rings shown by me are exact, that, are made by punching(was made with help of press), NOT moulding.
I am confused in both of rings, with their good condition and a grid (see firsh pic.), I did't see such variant never before.
P.S. can you check size (Height in mm's)of your edel.ring

P.S. thx for you? answers

these might help..

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I�m glad to show you, good or bad , this ring . The ring is very simular as Evgeniy�s first ring ( only another type of 835 stamp). See also the same type of cross mark on backside of the front.

My ring is pinky size and the inner front oval line with picture is 14 mm high.

front.........

front 2....

backside....

And still, that all think the others collectors these rings... Copies or the original?
I'm still confused
P.S. may be its new made (somebody have old stam and made it now)
P.S.S. 2 benten
where you buy you edel. ring ??

There are documents for these rings! every doc has been to a Geb soldier from or unit attached to the 1st Div..
I've seen 2, first hand from the German vets familys,,both have the 1 on it...I also have one, from a German family with the mans death card which mentions he got the Gebs Edelweiss ring,,it is the 1st div type..

Evgeniys ring, Bentens ring,,they are both well made..Looks like a die stamp but is it?! These rings like this have just recently started appearing the last few years..
The 1st. div rings have been around since the war..

With the new technology and some individual hand finishing on pieces its even hard for some jewelers to tell the difference between 'old' and those rings newly made to deceive..

I certainly don't like the stamp on yours Benten,,and the ring looks identical to Evgeniys!. I also don't like that the center of the flower is an impression [pressed in] rather than 'out'.. There is the possiblity that the ring was newly made from a die,,then stamped with a facsimile stamp as Evgeniy hints too,,,this is trouble for us collectors!

It would be interesting to match up the cross hatching on the front of the 2 rings,,they are supposed to be from the same maker,,yes there were different molds but they all came from the same master die!,,maybe a close up comparison of the fronts??

By the way ost of 15 april there are one more ring (ring was buy of my friend in germany).
In this topic we have 3 rings , with identical design.

Evegeniy, it�s a nice idea to compare the fronts of our rings as Gaspare suggested. Could you make a good light close up from your FIRST edelweiss ring? I� m also confused about good or bad.

Gaspare, perhaps that these rings have no relation to the military�may be a sign from Bavaria and surroundings like �Hochland�?

My ring is well made, and is light, 4 grams.
The hollow centre of the Edelweiss on the front is of a strange taste.
I looked at several old signet rings in my collection ; the edelweiss ring has the same aging structures inside .
The 835 F * stamp is indeed a strange one�.

Some more "macro" pictures....The maximum I can press out of the 4mil.pix. camera , it�s a hobby.

close up.....
The center circle is about 1,5 mm and has little circles on the bottom of the compartments .

I presume that the ring was made in the first place as a wax design. It could explain the very little irregularities of the modelling in wax on some very small and difficult to handle places like around the dots.

I've gotten couple emails from other members saying these rings are everywhere right now and that there are good coipes of the 1st division rings out too,, which we know of /seen in the link I posted above...

Its usually not a good sign though when multiples of a ring show up all exactly the same all in the same condition , no provenance,etc...

Benten,,made for retail rings back then were usually stamped or die cast,permanent mold.., both having a master die hub so that when a mold started getting worn or damaged another was made from the master. this way the artist, die cutter, metal treatment process were all side stepped [didn't get paid again!] and just the mold maker got involved..Big firms had 1000s of master hubs in their back rooms,,these masters are what sometimes give medal/badge ,field equipment,ring,anything metal! collectors fits!!. even damaged another working die can sometimes be made OR used to made rubber,plaster molds to make the fakes.....,G.

Gaspare, thank you for your answer.

In the field of the maximum height 17.32mm
Others parameters , i try show in foto

Evgeniy, thanks for your picture.

I have no tool for measuring at the second place after the comma , the hundred parts. But I can give you next sizes.

-the maximum high of my ring front is 17mm.( yours 17,23 )
-the ring band thickness behind is 0,8 mm ! ( yours 1,07 )
- of the Edelweiss centre, outside rim, 1,5mm ( yours 1,52 )
- the oval around the Edelweiss is 14,2 mm high ( yours 14,23 ) and 11mm wide.

The ring band size for the finger is 19,5mm . Ring weight is 4 grams.

hi all been very busy sorry i havn't been on for some time. so anyway all these EDELWEISSE rings in front of me i just had to get one . [although i have had to wait 2years for one ] stamped 800 and wagon wheel stamp. more rings to post later. all the best E

E, after two years...., a nice ring.

Love it ringman! dare I say 'Textbook' example..
That wagon wheel hallmark is on most of these 1st division rings. Another good catch..,G.

Can you post a picture of the wheel mark please.
Do we already know who the "wheel" maker mark belongs to? Thanks