UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons Hunting, Forestry, and Shooting Forum Model 36 Eickhorn - comments needed

Hi, I've just bought this Hirschfanger locally in Jersey (Channel Islands). It's my first and I was informed it's the real deal. A little of the gilding remains otherwise all fittings are bright brass. There is a number 20 under both staples on the scabbard that tie with the number 20 when the grip is removed. The scabbard to me is fantastic with tight stitching, The blade is free from stains, unsharpened with a perfect point. Please put me out of my misery either way - any comments welcome. Thanks, Brendan.

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Hi Brendan

If you were looking for a Pre War or war time piece then this piece is not for you, it's post 1945, the etched Eickhorn makers mark is testement to this fact. The proper mark should look like this.

sorry

Gary

Hi, that was quick - yes my belief was for it to be 1935 - WW2.
Any further comments to value.
I may have been sold a pup.
Brendan

Post war. Value about $350.00. If you are going to collect these-download my free guide. If you had it -you probably would not have bought this.

Rupturedduck

The seller has drawn reference to the same hirschfanger listed by the rupturedduck.com to confirm the same eickhorn makers mark as being correct. I'm not an expect here, so is it possible this etched maker mark could have been 1936 - WW2 period? The dagger I have is identical other than my scabbard has the two staples covering the stamped number 20 on the back and the gilding has come away.
Thanks,
Brendan

The one on the Ruptured duck site is also Post war, as Houston mentions the value of yours is around $350.
The Eickhorn etched makers mark on any hirsch�f�nger is post war.

Gary

This is how collectors get stung.Bill's site is known for it's good products.I'm sure every so often things go by as he may not always "proof" an item and has others do it for him.Interesting item to watch on the Ruptured Duck site

Very good quality , i once owened a similar with stamps inside.But this daggers was made , i think , in the 1970 years in germany.

No excuse for Shea! He should pull it from the site period!

The seller's agreed to take it back and cancel my payment. Guess it's difficult with so many good copies out there to distinguish from the genuine article. My thanks to all who have contributed and helped my knowledge immensely. Brendan

Brendan
It's not strictly a copy,the seller made a mistake and thought he had a war time hirschf�nger, you bought it as such, I'm glad you managed to get your money back. If you can download Houstons guide it will give you a good basis for finding a 3rd reich period piece, please feel free to E-Mail me if you need any help.

Cheers

Gary

Hi
Having read all your replys to this matter,i have scanned the many reputable sites on the web,and the makers etched mark is of the period 1935-1941 and is found on all types of dagger made by Eickhorn, Houstons guide is just that a "Guide"
check it out for yourself
hope this helps
Jon

Hi,
A question for Houston Coates, how sure are you of your facts regarding etching not being used on these Model 36 daggers prior to 1945?

Thanks

Simon

I am 100% positive that these etched upside down 35-41 style Eickhorn TM's are post war on all Forestry and Hunting hirschfangers, The Fire Officer dagger, the Navy Officer dagger, the Water Protection Police dagger, and the Shooting Assn. dagger. This is not the only sign that these daggers are post war--they have other "red flags" as well. Download my free guide and find out. It is based on over 50 years of experience in collecting and observing these daggers.

An etched Eickhorn mark is post war, if you like the dagger buy it, it doesn't matter until you come to sell it. Yes an etched Eickhorn mark is period for other types but not Hunting/ Forestry or shooting association.
A big red flag on this piece is the grip, look at how white it is, you will notice on a majority of period stag grips these sections would have turned a golden colour by now. The fitings are also like new, is there a scabbard spring??, the leather also looks new, I'm afraid any way you look at it this piece is post war. These were sold by the Eickhorn firm in the 1970's, here's a scan from one of ther catalouges of the 1970's.

Gary

Oh my gosh guys!
Come on this is Hunting 101.
The etched mark is Post-war, is, has been, and always will be.
You've got some of the most respected guys in the hobby telling you this.
Not being rude rather trying to help you.
I know been there, trying to convice myself something is right when it's not.

I'd like to thank Houston for pointing out to me that a Hunting Cutlass I had on my site was not correct.This piece slipped by me and I apologize for that. it will be removed from the site within 12 hours as soon as my webmaster gets up in the morning.
Sincerely,
Bill Shea

No problem Bill. We all make mistakes. Thanks for taking the time to address this issue.

You can always trust Bill Shea to do the right thing.

Definitely one of the good guys!

If you look in the war time period 35-41 Eickhorn catalogs or the re-prints you will find the correct type TM. You will also find the correct direction of the TM and if you examine it you will find it is the stamped type which is different from the etched type. If you want to read this information in English you will find it in my guide. Of course--it's just a guide-not worth anything.

Hi Norman

Junk in the trunk!

Glad to see you on forum!'

Helmet area can use you!

PVON

I have deleted a couple of posts that seemed to be a private disagreement that had nothing to do with this topic.

Dave