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#6863 02/24/2010 11:33 AM
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Hi guys i have just received this dagger today and could do with some opinions on originality, I have to say it looks very good to me Smile but i am no expert on these daggers also let me say that the condition of this dagger leaves alot to be desired! and i know some of you guys will say that this dagger wouldnt be for my collection, but i didnt pay alot of money for it so am therefor happy with it as long as it is an original example, i think it has alot of character and we all know how rare these full rohms are in any condition
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Hello, I don't like the inscription. Looks like it is re-writing in the best case.

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It looks original .That being said look at the corrosion at the top of the blade. It is heavy but almost disappears where the inscription starts as if it were cleaned up and the inscription then applied.


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Zorro has astutely pointed out the key flaw with the dagger's inscription


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Hi guys thanks for the input i can see what you are sayng about the inscription, i was told that this was 110% legit, i have just taken the dagger apart and the top of the tang where the tang meets the blade is quite rusty ,the xguards are marked HE which i beleive is correct.Also i was under the impression that SA daggers with the small eikhorn logo were all rohms so to me doesnt make much sense that this would have been a fully ground rohm then the insciption added i would have thought that if someone was going to fake one of these daggers they would have used a better example than this!
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Based on the photos, the logo appears to be properly placed and would be correct for a "Rohm." As well as I can tell, all components seem to comply with "Eickhorn" ones. If there is a problem with the blade, it would seem to be that a ground "Rohm" had the inscription re-applied, or the blade is a reproduction. The blade is extremely corroded near the guard, so I would suspect the blade is original. The blade does ot appear to be a "repro." The blade does show signs of being "cleaned up," probably with something abrasive, such as emery cloth or sandpaper. If done carefully, the inscription's crispness could have been preserved. It also may be that the etching has been darkened as part of the cleaning-up process.

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thanks Grumpy when you say that the blade has been cleaned up are you refering to the grind marks on both sides of the blade where someone has tried to sharpen it? they actually havent done too bad of a job it is quite sharp! and from what i can see the motto on the front of the dagger looks to be the same darkness as the inscripion on the rear as it should
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Yes, the grinding marks. It may be someone tried to clean up the rest of the blade to remove surface corrosion. Can't tell from the photos. You do see full and partial Rohm's with the original darkening in the etching. You also see them with no darkening left. This is true of all political daggers. Some seem to have never had darkening. Photos seldom represent what you can see in person. I just don't see any warning signs of fakery on this dagger. A look "in person" may tell a different story.

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An Eickhorn Rohm dedication pattern is what I see and IMO it appears original.
However clearer photos would be better received for other responses.

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thanks guys i will take some more pics tomorrow in the sunlight its almost midnight here and photos never seem to turn out properly when i use my flash! should i just take extra photos of the rohm dedication or are there any other parts of the dagger i should take some pics of?
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in the 8th photo ,just above the makers mark ,you can see the start of where the original inscription was ground off in 4th photos you can see the inscription appears to be on top of the grind marks ???

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Hi Nick i see what you are saying about the grind marks, these actually go through most of the name part of the dedication they are very light and dont seem to be deep enough to affect the dedication. I have just felt with a pin and the dedication is deeper into the blade than the grind mark, could this have happened when the dagger was sharpened and whoever sharpened it slipped and caught the dedication?I have noticed there are also grind marks all the way accross the motto on the front of the blade about 3-4mm wide but again they arent deep enough to have taken any of the motto away, when i feel with a pin there is a deffinate lip where the motto goes into the blade but where the grind marks are i can feel there isnt as much of a lip which is what i would expect. I will take some more pics of this in the morning,I gonna have to hit the sack now guys getting earache off the mrs!!! early start in the morning
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As a comparison, here is one on Gunbroker.com. The steel in these things is very hard. If somebody thought they were going to use a file to do the job, they quickly found out they had a tough job to do. The inscription seemed to hold up well to the grinding on this one, too.

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Hi mate , Did you buy that From Brian "The Bag" Davies ?

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Hi Rob no i didnt get the dagger off Brian "the bag" Davies never heard of him mate, i will take some more pics of the grind marks shortly and post them ......cheers

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Interesting thread Adam,
I am no expert on these but I can see how it could well be legit and I know where you are coming from with the grind marks over the dedication.
Good luck and hope it proves to be right from a fellow Leyther.
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Does the dagger have a number stamped on the bottom of the lower crossguard ?


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Hi Ian thanks for the comment, i hope its right myself it certainly feels right! Zorro there is a number stamped on the bottom of the lower crossguard it looks like a number 1. i will post a pic of it in a mo when i post the other pics i only noticed this before, IMHO i think the grind marks where added after the dedication and motto was added and i think these pics will show that, i think that whoever sharpened the blade slipped off the wheel and caught the motto and dedication, as Grumpy said before solingen steel is very hard and sharpening it wouldnt have been easy.Will post pics now and see what you guys think.
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If anyone wants additional pics just let me know
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I think the dagger is an original looking at it online and not in person. The only thing that looks a little odd and it could be just the picture . It is the space between the legs (for lack of a better term) of the small r in Ernst and the large R in Rohm. The dagger has to many things right with it to be wrong. The good items get better (like your dagger) and the bad items get worse if you know what I mean.


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Hey Zorro i think it may be the angle i took the photo from. I have just done a search on here for full rohm eickhorns and compared a few and i cant see any differences that may just be my untrained eye though
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Hi mate IMO it looks legit, i had one in that condition an it was 100% real . But what do i know !

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