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Tough to give a solid answer without some up close photos of the hilt assembly, grip button, quillion, crossguar, scabbard fittings. It looks good from what I see. The blade buffer is not original to the degen I would say. One needs to be eyeful of the grip button because a police saber can become an SS degen with a quick switch. From the photos it does not look like this was the case. I would also want to confirm what the grip material is made of. Wood or a plastic celluliod? Also, if we can get a shot of the backstrap. I'm only asking due to the number of repros hitting the market. I have been suspecting its only a matter of time till a very nice SS degen repo hits and is good enough to fool an untrained eye. When we're talking upwards of $6000-$10000, the demand does exist for the fakers.

Perhpas someone with more P. Krebs knowledge can speak to it a bit more. Again, from the limited photos, its a good degen I believe, but I cannot give it a thumbs up yet as an SS degen.

Hope this helps a little.

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thanks you for the info
on the blade is ss motto and the grip is not from wood

That worries me then. Can you photo the SS stamp? Is it stamped in 2 locations? If ther grip is culluloid or a plastic material, it may not be good. I cannot speak to the degens knot so another member can chime in.

My knowledge of SS degens is limited, perhaps another member who has handled a variety of these can chirp in and put in there opinion. FP or Dale??

If you dissassemble the degen, by unscrewing the pommel cap, and removing the assembly and photing the pieces, it will also help everyone in making a determination. I used to have an early 1960s repro that was quite nice. A few tell tale signs of a fake, including the plastic grip, the wiring was a little wierd, the hilt assembly was not what you would expect to see on a degen, then fake SS stamps on the blade ricasso. I have become vary weary about SS degens over the years.

AGain more photos will help. Get the sigrune stamp photod as well.

Oh yea, can you tell how the grip botton is attached? Is it sort of pressed in or glued? Can you tell if it has prongs that would gor through the grip? Disassembly would help ascertain. HOWEVER- if you are not comfortable dissassembling it, then don't. Over tightening can damage the tand threads.

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looks like a fake to me. The knot is a fake for sure.

Houston,
Have you come accross this P Krebs MM mark before? Doesn't look all that good. i am becomeing very suspect of the sword since the poster has begun to elaborate on it. Probably one the 1960's pieces. Again, more photos and dissassembly photos should tell all that is need to ascertain its legitimacy.

Fake or copy,call it what you will but it is NOT genuine.Thats for sure.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

I believe it a mix of good and bad. Bad degen, good scabbard. Does the scabbard have an ss stamp?

I would agree that there probably are some good parts-scabbard. Maybe even the blade but I don't like the look of that Krebs TM. Anyway--not a good collectable item IMO.

thank's everybody for the info i could buy this one but i now think that its no good buy


gr richard

I'm with Houston on the trademark. Something about it looks funny.

I�m in agreement with the others. What looks like a conglomeration of parts converted to make it an into an �SS� sword. With a �Krebs� logo (post manufacture) etched onto to the blade to make it a �genuine� period artifact. Some of the parts that are still good might be worth something to someone who needs them - but not the sword itself. FP

The blade logo is for sure no ok same with the know, but that's already mentioned above.