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#6568 02/20/2010 07:19 PM
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Dean,
Owls play a big part in folklore. In some cultures Owls are associated with death, probably due to their nocturnal life, while others view the owl as wise. We are a strange creature us humans. I'll try to post a picture of the carved antler for you.

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Dean,

Here it is, a portion of it anyway. Please continue to post your nice collection. It's very much appreciated by us art lovers. Thanks.

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Holy Crap.What a find.
I wasn't expecting a mueseum type piece like this.
That's stunningly impressive.

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Dean,

Delete it, no way! This is exactly the sort of thing I'd like to bring to the fore - the German mindset before, during and after the First World War. For those that might give a small rat's behind, these great illustrations give us a candid peek into some of the myriad smaller ideas that blended together in a vast cauldron of thoughts and emotions that helped shape 1933 Germany - non-Nazis and National Socialists alike.

Your latest addition (looks like an engraving of some nature) is also a variation on the theme of the "Totentanz," or "Dance of Death." A very old European idea regarding the "Black Plague" dating way back to the 13th century, with the outbreak of the disease on the continent.

The traumatic impact of the Black Death inspired a rich tradition of "Totentanz", "Danse Macabre", or "Triumph of Death", paintings; and since the Middle Ages, throughout the Renaissance until today, painters, such as Bosch, Brueghel, Holbein, and many others, have ritually cleansed our subconscious of this archetypal fear with fantastic, and sometimes humorously horrible, images of dancing corpses and armies of skeletons. Those images contained a moral message as well: they were to remind us of how fragile our bodies were and how vain the glories of earthly life are.

The artist who did this card must have had a dark sense of humor to send this off to his friends, and I think I can see the reason why. In the last line of his poem he uses the phrase, "Glück auf!" An old German/Austrian miner's saying, literally, Luck-up, but in other words, hope to see you topside again, or, cheers to your next ride up! The old miner's suffered tremendously back then, a time when casualty-lists were extremely high for the poor buggers. Safety measures were almost non-existant and must have been an awful irritant to the big mining bosses. Those safety measures cost money, with those Marks and Schillings coming directly out of their profits/pockets ... not! Anyway, it's an old miner's greeting for a dangerous profession and
I believe it comes into play here:

"Mein Futter wird vom Tragen blank u. weiss
Mein Aussres schwarz u. fahl:
Zum Jahresende wende ich lebensleis
Den Mantel jedesmal
Glück auf und glaub dir der bestimmt Sein anders schon fur besser nimmt."

auf englisch -

"My liner worn clean and white
My outer black and wan
On New Year's Eve I turn the coat with feeble life
Luck up and believe ordained to you
is he who takes his "other" yet as better..."

I may be off a bit but it's something along these lines..? German poetry, old limericks and rhymes can be a real thorn in the side and open to several interpretations. A few times I've seen 19th century, German military presentation swords with lines of poetry that stumped the best of the best translators, causing heated arguments. That is until an older gentleman came along and put it into context in it's true poetic sense and viola,' at once the meaning became crystal clear! Sometimes, the art of a good translation can be difficult at best.

So for better or for worse, that's my take on the image and I hope we now have at least one leg to stand on..? heh ...I'd appreciate hearing any and all criticisms and comments, maybe I've overlooked a key element somewhere along the line? Sorry it took so long to get back on this one but those poems can be a killer! Wink

Thanks again for posting from your nice art collection!

Bill

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Bill, Thanks for all this info and input.

I'm liking the idea that just maybe the artist possibly knew first hand about the subject matter from life experiences.

It really adds to the art and gives it a 'learn from my wisdom' quality that the artist delivers in both poetry and in art form.

Your comment about how some of these death images portrayed 'how vain the glories of earthly life are' was awesome and I kept the thought in mind after stepping out into the world last night and saw this and the fragility of life theory going on everywhere.

Here it is almost 100 years later and the same thing still exist only in a slightly different way.Probably will till the end of civilization.

I'm starting to see your point clearer and clearer about "the affect of the imperial graphic and visual-arts was a definitive contributing factor in shaping the perceptions of those that took the reins of the NS hierarchy."

Great thread.I'm learning about art and more.

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Dean,

Here I thought I was the only one to get up at such an ungodly time of day ... Big Grin

A card like this or other image can convey many important messages, some very subtle and some blunt and to the point. Either way, they should be consumed as food for thought. It seems also that the more one knows the history behind some of these items, the more intriguing they can become. Sometimes I think about how it would feel to walk down the street in 1905 Wien or Berlin, to get a newspaper and go to the bar to hear questions of the day being discussed at the Biergarten? Art, literature, politics, science - almost anything would be interesting,
no? That's what some of the postcards remind me of, little snippets or candid snapshots of ordinary life.

Though some may convey deep meanings like this last one, I seem to favor those pieces of art that focus on nature, mainly animals and such.
Anything from a cartoon caricature to a realistic painting, as long as I like it, then it's a done-deal. In that way I'm only judging the artist's skill I guess, not the meaning behind it too? Maybe it makes things simpler that way? Smile

Mikee - I forgot how impressive that carving was! That must've made your day when you found that ... thanks for hooking us up.

A few more animal illustrations by Professor Sturm ...

Best to all!

B~

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quote:
Originally posted by WWII:

Though some may convey deep meanings like this last one, I seem to favor those pieces of art that focus on nature, mainly animals and such.
Anything from a cartoon caricature to a realistic painting, as long as I like it, then it's a done-deal. In that way I'm only judging the artist's skill I guess, not the meaning behind it too? Maybe it makes things simpler that way?

B~


I think your absolutely right.
Maybe by thinking and over analysis on some pieces it takes something away from them.
Maybe on others the artist wanted to provoke thought and made sure only a few would truly get the meaning after paying their dues.

It's kind of refreshing to view the animal art you posted where there is just a great skilled presentation with nothing more to really think about other than it pleases the eye or not.

Simplicity in a world where there's many complexities is refreshing,tranquil,and just a great change of pace.

Something to be said for the peaceful calming effect of art that you don't have to think about (whoops, guess I'm over thinking it already).

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Forgot to ask you Bill, are the last 3 Sturm examples you posted wood block prints?

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WWII,
I know you said "no photos please, artwork only", but I have a postcard that shows artwork on a old German building.

I'm thinking this art may date back to Imperial times and it was displayed in a very public place so perhaps it had some effect on shaping NS culture and may be relevant to this thread.

Hoping I'm not out of line or breaking your rules in posting it.

I promise to give the skeleton thing a rest after this one also.

As you probably can see the clock/art is actually on the face of the building on the left hand side.

Kind of curious if this beautiful building and it's clock are still in existence today.

Any info appreciated.

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Close up of art/clock

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#6580 02/22/2010 01:24 AM
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Dean,

One heck of a nice postcard. I don't think it is? Altes Rathaus, Closeup

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I think that's it but the clock art changed.
I'm going to try to find out when and why the art got changed around.
Thanks for the help.

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A weird postcard.
1901 Friedland cancelation.
I think it's German by the writting and adressed to Friedland i/ Meckl ???
Thought it has a little bit of a Nouveau look to it.Strange or what?

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Postcard w/ a 1902 cancellation.
Photo taken in it's protective sleve due to it's condition.
German?

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Dean,

This just gets better all the time ... let me see if I can add a few tidbits of info ...

"Probably he who has the last hour of life in front of his eyes." In this case most likely the good looking young maiden having her "last dance with death." Beautiful, obscenely ugly, young, old and in-between, I guess sooner or later we all take our turn to have that final dance ..?

A very Nouveau flavor to your next card, though, I don't think too awfully strange for that date. I've seen lots of Jugendstil illustrations that combine natural overtones with the fantastic, like this oddfellow. Perhaps an elf, woodnymph or satyr-like being? If that was my daughter I wouldn't want her anywhere near this old boy, possibly a take on Beauty and the Beast? Quite unique.

The last one is my personal favorite of this group - definitely German. "Deutschland über Alles," underneath the sword pommel pretty much clinches that. As to the warrior or maybe even king, my first instinct says Charlemagne, or possibly even Wotan in disguise as he often did? The two crows could lend a bit of credence to that, Wotan's spies were a pair of crows, Hugin and Munin. Great image and a nice painting!

Do you guys know the work of John Heartfield? I really like his photomontage compositions and I'll see if I can find a couple of his relevant works.

In the meantime I wanted to ask, how did you come to choose these particular cards and bookplates to purchase for your collection? Was there a particular theme in mind? These are all a bit out of the ordinary from average imperial postcard collections. Well done and thanks for sharing them. Wink

Best!

Bill

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WWII-
Thank you for your takes on these.

In answering your question it goes back to what you asked about why people choose the art they do.For me it's usually the message before quality,subject,or artist technique.

You sure know how to put a image into words well Bill.
Last dance with death & I guess sooner or later we all have that final dance couldn't describe the clock photo any better and draws me to the art more and more.What talent for description.

Looked at some of Heartfield's photo's and even recognized a few.

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Bill, Those illustrations are so full of color, very nice and impressive work. I love animal art as well. Your right I was a happy camper when I found that antler. You must have a ton of art work and hope this thread never runs out. Much appreciated and thank you.

Dean, Like Bill that last post card from this group is my favorite as well. And agree with Bill that it's a depiction of Charlemagne, due to his unmistakable great crown, and his sword Joyeuse. I know this because I have seen much of these treasures in person. Let me add that the German word Siebenbürgen means seven fortresses, because of the seven ethnic German Saxon cities in that region. This is why Transylvania was known in German as Siebenbürgen ... Keep it coming!

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Mikee,

Always a pleasure reading your keen insights, much appreciated. Wink

Up for consideration a few of Heartfield's powerful anti-Nazi images. Dynamic and intelligent, most of his artwork was just as brutal as the Brownshirts and Reds were, right there in your face!

One of my all-time favorites would have to be, "Adolf the Uebermensch" - he swallows gold and spouts tin..." Big Grin

Heartfield's visuals could be as bitng and crafty as anything old Goebbels could verbally pen, heh. Both men could be judged as having very "sharp swords" in their repertoire.

Best!

Bill

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Bill,
This is great stuff. Although the 2nd one looks familar, I don't believe I 've seen this stuff before. He sure had a sense of humor. I can imagine the wanted "dead or alive" posters on him. This is better than a Dean Martin roast! Big Grin

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One of my favorite Jugend covers by Jank

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Nice.
Hard to choose a favorite Jugend cover.
Great art.

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L,

Do you have more Jugend magazine covers tucked away, or just the one? It's a fantastic illustration, I'd like to own the original of this one! Wink

The Jugend covers that I've seen portray such a wide variety of interesting subject matter and on top of that, all those accomplished artists and their different mediums to see. Some just knocked my socks clean off ... Big Grin

For any of you fellas who might enjoy looking at some fine German Jugendstil/Art Nouveau drawings and designs, I highly recommend searching the web to check out some of these printed covers. This can be a most pleasant diversion and/or time out from looking at fake SS armbands and Totenkopf rings ... heh. Smile

Best to all, please keep these nice images coming!

Bill

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Hi Bill, no other Jugend covers yet - Ludwig Hohlwein is another fantastic artist of the period - this second picture isn't original but looks great next to (some) of the Imperial visor collection Big Grin

Luke

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I also collect Cavalry postcards. Hohlwein and Döbrich-Steglitz were tops in that category (in my opinion) - I'd love to own the original full size painting of any of these pictures, just outstanding - I especially love this one - it sits next to my 20th Leib Dragoner Regt visor, wrong regiment in the picture, but they shared colours Big Grin .... nothing more noble (or as it turns out in modern war, futile and suicidal) than a sword drawn cavalry charge

Luke

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Another great DS postcard and last for tonight -earmarked to sit next to the right Jäger zu Pferd visor, whenever it happens to come along Big Grin

Luke

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OK...one more - sits with my (soon to be sold for an upgrade) 11th Husaren Visor. But I'll keep the postcard, like it alot and rare as hens teeth

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Luke,

Your visor looks to be in superb condition and what an immaculate pastel-blue color - now that's awesomeness!

I recognize Hohlwein's distinctive work and I scarfed up a few additional paintings that I'll add to the thread. I'm sure our other readers will be better able to place him then. He's acknowledged by many as being Germany's finest, 20th century poster-artist.

Ludwig Hohlwein was born in Germany in 1874. He trained as an architect and practised until 1906 when he started a new career in poster design. He quickly established himself as one of the most important people working in this field in Germany. Hohlwein's high tonal contrasts and a network of interlocking shapes made his work instantly recognizable. Hohlwein was employed by the German government during the First World War to produce propaganda posters. He died in 1949.

These Kavallerie impressions are all first class and I can see why you collect them. Three individual styles paying tribute to the grand, long-gone imperial mounted regiments - outstanding! Thanks for including these ...

... some more of Hohlwein's work to enjoy.

Best!

Bill W.

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IMO the 'Patrouille im Morgengrauen' is really appealing because of the artist ability to create a almost erie mood to the atmosphere.Very cool.

WWII-
Thanks for the additional photo's that display this guys talents.
I love both the big cat pics but my favorite has to be the 'Und Du' piece.
I looked for additional info on it but didn't find much.I'm interested in finding out something more on it if possible.

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Dean,

I've seen that poster listed as being first printed in 1929 and also as first appearing for the 1932-33 elections - don't know which is correct? It also appears on the cover of Peter Adam's book, "Art of the Third Reich." - no details there either, just the image.

If you check out Hohlwein on www.google.de
you'll find the "Und Du?" poster for sale, should you be so inclined ... lots of his other images, too. Smile

B~

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This is one of a series of depictions of brave aerial warfare during the Imperial Era. They were actually drawn a bit later.

Dave

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LOL Dave.
What a areodynamic flying marvel.

WWII Thanks for the additional info.
I was wondering what "And You' was refering to and who commisioned the artwork in this case.

I looked for the poster with the link you provided but my German language skills are terrible.

Don't know if I could afford the original poster like this anyway.Do you know if the art was ever used in postcard form?

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